should judo add striking/ no gi judo discussion

[gregaquaman]

care to explain why not?

Because you are learning striking from people who don't do it. If they did do it it is not going to be the well thought out system of people who specialise in it so you will be short changed.

Otherwise there are other avenues you can pursue to combine striking and grappling.

See this way people who want to do Judo don't have to put up with your striking nonsense.

People who strike dont have to put up with this Judo nonsense.

And those who wish to combine the two can do the styles that specialise in that.

[BJMills]

i have no problem, the main perpous of posting this was to get others input on whether it should add striking to make it a more rounded art. and i do striking as well i was just wondering how judo would really do against it becuase its not part of randori or judo

I like to think of it this way, you're going to get the best throwing practice with pure Judo. The same way you're going to get the best upper body striking with pure boxing.

Even professional MMA fighters, when they train, often train separate arts, boxing, wrestling, bjj, ect... to develop a high level of skill in those areas, then combine them when they work MMA specifically.

If you add striking to Judo, and people are worried about getting punched and keeping distance, they are not spending as much time just working throws, defending throws and countering.

If you add gnp to bjj you will spend less time working and defending submissions. And while its true that pure bjj guys will struggle in MMA without cross training its also true that guys with great bjj who make the transition will have better ground games than those without.

Judo is great the way it is. If you want more, cross train and finding sparring partners who like to mix it all up. But stick with the pure Judo, it will give you skills that, once you learn to adapt them, will be invaluable.

[NeilG]

One thing instructors really appreciate is when their junior students try to tell them what's wrong with the program. Next class, be sure to point out any mistakes he is making in his instruction as well.

More seriously, judo is what it is, same as any other martial art or sport. If you want to learn something eclectic where people think they can make something better by making a mish-mash of other stuff, go join an eclectic gym. There's lots of them. But if you want to stick with judo, then study judo and try not to do the classic newb "but what if he does this?" thing. Judo isn't really about self-defense, anyways.

[Goju - Joe]

Sambo

Sport Jiu jitsu

MMA with a gi

[andrewpmma]

i see everyones point, i just kinda had the idea that if judo added strikeing it would be a very well rounded martial art eliminating the need too cross train. but like someone said people would spend more time punching it out than practicing throws so i guess it would have ups and downs. This wasn't a complaint on judo in any way more just a thought on it from my experience so far.

[Mr. Machette]

i see everyones point, i just kinda had the idea that if judo added strikeing it would be a very well rounded martial art eliminating the need too cross train. but like someone said people would spend more time punching it out than practicing throws so i guess it would have ups and downs. This wasn't a complaint on judo in any way more just a thought on it from my experience so far.

FWIW, I've never "trained Judo" in my life, but some of the most usefull things I've ever applied in a "street fight" are Judo techniques. (Throws learned on the ol' Martial Journey or whatever you want to call it...) And yes, mofo's were trying to get "punchy".

You wan't to see a terrifying demonstration of martial prowess? Behold:


EFFING JUDO!

[andrewpmma]

i think ive seen that video before. PRETTY FUCKING IMPRESSIVE, unfortunately i dont know that throw yet but just about any throw would suck on concrete.

[Mr. Machette]

i think ive seen that video before. PRETTY FUCKING IMPRESSIVE, unfortunately i dont know that throw yet but just about any throw would suck on concrete.

Apparently while you are behind the opponent, you grab the lapel / clavicle / arpit area (this becomes a pivot point) your other hand grabs their nuts (This becomes a fulcrum, an excelent choice IMHO) then you use leverage to make those two spots switch possitions. Gravity takes care of the rest.

Remember, lift with your legs not with your back...

[Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs]

i see everyones point, i just kinda had the idea that if judo added strikeing it would be a very well rounded martial art eliminating the need too cross train...

1) This is for the No-Gi Judo part of your OP post:

Judo is a style of grappling that is tied to a certain ruleset, just as
(Sport) SAMBO is a style of grappling that is tied to another certain ruleset, just as
BJJ is a style of grappling that is tied to another certain ruleset, just as
Greco-Roman is a style of grappling that is tied to another certain ruleset, just as
SubGrappling is a style of grappling that is tied to another certain ruleset and so on.

The rulesets steer the evolution of a grappling style into a certain way:
With Judo, for example,
- you have to maintain a more upright position compared to Wrestling and SAMBO,
- throws are awarded more points compared to BJJ
- A jacket changes the grip fight strategies
- and so on...
And while the rulesets have created so many different forms of grappling, those rulesets are needed.
The reason is that if we used one unified ruleset, only the techniques that would have a more than averige succes rate in that competition would survive and the grappling community will lose techniques in the long run.

So don't try to unify grappling by adding a No-Gi component to Judo which would borrow from Greco-Roman and SubGrappling, but know that with Judo, SAMBO, BJJ, Greco-Roman, Freestyle and SubGrappling about all the bases are covered. You can crosstrain.

In the end it's all grappling and the skills that you learn in one art can be transported to another art, sometimes with less effort (Greco-Roman to Freestyle), other times it will take more effort and extra training (Judo to SubGrappling).

2) This is for the adding of striking to Judo:

Again, which ruleset of Striking will you add? American Kickboxing, Muay Thai or SanDa?
Which ruleset will you create for your "Combat Judo"? Will there be Gi and No-Gi Combat Judo tournements? And again: so on...

Or you can crosstrain in a striking art that you prefer. Judo is cheap and taught by instructors who depend on another job to provide for themselfs, so that means that most schools will have only 2 to 3 classes a week. This gives you enough opertunity to crosstrain in a striking art or another grappling art.

[judojeff]

I'm all for no gi judo, you would'nt have to change the rules at all just take away the gi. People will still do judo they just will have to change griping strategies to make use of over/under hooks and different methods of head control. We would see the popularity of different throws rise since some throws are harder to pull off with out the gi and some become easier (in my limitied experiance at least).

All in all I think it would be cool to have no gi judo just to see how it would evolve along side gi judo.