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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    On what basis do you think this? A concussion is a deep-tissue injury. Deep-tissue injuries are easier to inflict when your own surface areas are protected (as in American football). Why would boxing-versus-bareknuckle show any difference in this regard?
    Where exactly did you hear that?? First off a concussion occurs when the brain bounces against the scull. This would be more difficult with padding IMO. You site football, yet how many concussions do you think they would get without helmets?? Again though this is just MY OPINION. Does anyone have any actual science to prove one way or another on bare vs. gloved fist??
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    Where exactly did you hear that?? Does anyone have any actual science to prove one way or another on bare vs. gloved fist??
    They discuss a theory behind that in the article. AFA it's scientific merit? You're guess is as good as anybodies...

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    Here’s a fun fact you can use to impress your friends. Gloves were not introduced to the sport of boxing for safety reasons. They were, in fact, meant to make the sport more dramatic and violent. Why? Because bare knuckle boxing, as far as spectator sports go, is far more boring to watch than you might imagine. Take that last officially sanctioned bare knuckle fight that happened in 1897, for example. It lasted a free-time-destroying seventy-five rounds. Taking in a boxing match on Friday night becomes a lot less enjoyable if you’re not even sure it’s going to end in time for you to make it to work at a respectable hour the following Monday.
    So, gloves were added to the mix in the hopes that they would lead to more shots to the head and dramatic knockouts. And, you know, fights that don’t last a month and a half. Gloves might keep you from breaking your hand when throwing a jab to the face, but they do nothing to keep your brain from rattling around in your head if you happen to be hit with that jab to the face. But don’t take our word for it. Check out this quote from Dr. Alan J. Ryan, a bare knuckle boxing proponent…
    “However, gloves do not lessen the force applied to the brain as it rattles inside the skull from a heavy blow. In fact, they make matters worse by adding 10oz to the weight of the fist.
    A full-force punch to the head is comparable to being hit with a 12lb padded wooden mallet travelling at 20mph.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by ermghoti View Post
    Plus drastically increased nutrition and conditioning. When barenkuclee boxing was in vogue, a four minute mile was believed mathematically and physically impossible.
    Robert Fitzsimmons' boxing book is a pretty interesting read for the physical culture of the bareknuckle era. He recommends a 30 minute workout, using barbells not to exceed 3 lbs, lest you become over-muscled or something, and I believe a good portion of the workout was devoted to standing and breathing. I'd be less worried about being knocked out by a guy who trains half an hour with soup can weights than a guy with a modern boxer's routine.
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    The Real Boxing

    Those guys with gloves dont have the REAL boxing
    Barenkuckle boxing ITS THE REAL BOXING
    because in the streets you dont has gloves so a barelkuncle boxer will beat you up in the street
    Also the lineage of barenkuclee boxers can be traced to
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Sullivan

    In the street any baren boxer would tear apart any gloved boxer
    THEY DONT TRAIN FOR THE RING THEY TRAIN FOR THE STREETZ
    This gloved bastards aren't prepared for some real FISTING
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    **** that article. Any science in that ************ is softer than a buttered up bacon grease soaked slice of bread.

    Whether or not gloves were added to boxing to make it more entertaining has **** all to do with whether or not gloves increase the risk of head trauma.

    There are many possible confounding factors accounting for more deaths in professional gloved boxing than in barenkucklee. Among them are
    1. Population increase
    2. Deaths in barenkuclee may not have been reported, because it was the fucking 19th century and motherfuckers from then aren't known for their stellar record keeping.
    3. Incidence of chronic brain injury from then would be un-fucking-knowable, because that entity wasn't defined by medicine yet. So the **** out of here with that brain damage argument.
    5. More people boxing and more matches means a bigger likelihood of any random event occurring and this includes injury and death.


    Also, did I mention it was the fucking 19th century? The **** is wrong with these fucking motherfuckers?

    There is nothing that clearly suggests that barenkucklee is safer than gloved knuckles, except for the fact that it makes you less likely to aim to hit motherfuckers in the head with abandon. But it also makes gives you much less protection for the shots that come at your head.

    And then there is the fact that raw knuckles on raw skin means more cuts. And that while it is very difficult for a ************ to push a glove into your eye socket a knucle can get in there very easily and do serious damage - detached retina, corneal laceration or whatever. And then the fact that a hard knuckle is far more likely to cause a facial fracture (which can have serious fucking consequences) than a padded glove.

    When there is no obvious mechanism that states why one thing is better than the other, one should check the fucking evidence. And the evidence on barenkucklee's saftety is one hundred plus years old, and it is by no means abundant.

    To conclude, the article is full of speculation and baseless conclusions, and it's author can **** off to infinity and set himself on fire with a flaming pick axe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    On what basis do you think this? A concussion is a deep-tissue injury. Deep-tissue injuries are easier to inflict when your own surface areas are protected (as in American football). Why would boxing-versus-bareknuckle show any difference in this regard?
    Come on, son. This **** is borderline retarded. Deep tissue injuries are not easier to inflict when your own surfaces are padded. You are more likely to suffer deep tissue injuries in isolation, or in the absence of superficial injuries if you are padded. But that is not the same as more likley to suffer deep tissue injuries.

    And I would point out that padding doesn't just simply spread out impact or whatever the **** motherfuckers think it does. The padding deforms, and in doing so it absorbs much of the momentum that is transferred from the fist. This **** is basic, son.
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    Is in the thread Vale Tudo/Daido Juku South american in YMAS hope you understand that dialect of spanish
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    Is in the thread Vale Tudo/Daido Juku South american in YMAS hope you understand that dialect of spanish
    Couldn't find it. I'm going to need you to be more specific. Post a motherfucking link perhaps?
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    Deep tissue injuries are not easier to inflict when your own surfaces are padded. You are more likely to suffer deep tissue injuries in isolation, or in the absence of superficial injuries if you are padded. But that is not the same as more likley to suffer deep tissue injuries.
    I'll attempt short words here.

    Gloves, wraps, more protection (sorry about the extra syllables) for hands when clashing with opponent's skull, less fear of busted hands, add up to more (and heavier) shots to the head. Therefore, more likelihood of the deep-tissue injury known as concussion on the part of said opponent (see previous apology). That's called "basic logic".

    When you get a couple of degrees in kinesiology (I do, University of Toronto, 1989, 1990), get back to me with something coherent.
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    Couldn't find it. I'm going to need you to be more specific. Post a motherfucking link perhaps?
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    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=117391
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