BJJ coach and self defense teacher Lloyd Irvin speaks the truth.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/02/2012 8:42am

That doesn't really answer his question.

**danno** · Posted On: 8/02/2012 9:03am

My point is how it looks is more important than how it works in these styles. I think that in most cases, that's why they moved towards jumping, flying techniques.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/02/2012 9:10am

Originally Posted by danno

My point is how it looks is more important than how it works in these styles. I think that in most cases, that's why they moved towards jumping, flying techniques.

I thought that was your point. I'm disagreeing because they have had Jumping and flying kicks, in old manuals, before it became about flash and trophies. The increase in flash and number of techniques may have increases for the wow factor, but doesn't explain why they appeared before that was an important factor.

**danno** · Posted On: 8/02/2012 10:06am

I don't think it matters how old it is. If you find a manual with a picture of someone doing XMA 500 years ago, doesn't mean anyone was actually using it to fight.

Unless you know something I don't. What manuals are we talking about?

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/02/2012 10:09am

Originally Posted by danno

I don't think it matters how old it is. If you find a manual with a picture of someone doing XMA 500 years ago, doesn't mean anyone was actually using it to fight.

Where are you going?

Unless you know something I don't. What manuals are we talking about?

Yeah we aren't on the same page. You are inferring effectiveness and fighting. I am taking his question at face value.

**RWaggs** · Posted On: 8/02/2012 10:34am

There used to be dragons. Can't kick a dragon in the head without a flashy jump kick. End of story.

**dflanmod** · Posted On: 8/02/2012 2:03pm

Originally Posted by danno

That's right, very few people are really training to deal with weapons. A lot of people are training to dance.

The best weapons training I've ever had came through a story as told by a past BJJ coach.

My coach was telling this story, he says. "So I get in this fight with this dude and I take care of him when out comes his friend. This guy is fucking huge. He's like 6'5" must weigh like 350lbs and he's got a baseball bat and comes at me........ I fucking ran. That guy was huge, no way he was going to catch me. **** no I'm not going to take on a guy with a baseball bat, that's fucking stupid."

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 8/02/2012 2:37pm

Hey upvote my comment on youtube about the kicking people off of horse crap. I'm WhiteShark27 there. My comment is at the top. I keep getting hate mail because I didn't deep throat and swallow every hot ounce of Lloyd's knowledge.