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    Tonfa and Sai are Hung Ga WTF?

    Hung Gar: Staff vs Tonfa and Sai form.
    Tonfa & Sai are Hung Gar techniques.
    WtF. So I looked it up and sure enough, both are Buddhist weapons from India, the sai in particular is a trishula, an ancient trident.

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    I've heard so many different origin stories for the sai and tonfa that I find myself taking anything historical about them with a larger side of salt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    I've heard so many different origin stories for the sai and tonfa that I find myself taking anything historical about them with a larger side of salt.
    The unique curvature seems to have Indian origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    The unique curvature seems to have Indian origin.

    The unique curvature is what makes that trishula NOT look like a sai, to my eye.
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    Seriously? You'd never come across the tid-cha/iron ruler and goai/crutch before? Bad southern kung fu stylist! Bad!!
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    Tridents as weapons in other cultures as well..


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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Tridents as weapons in other cultures as well..

    Convergent evolution ?
    Sure - to paraphrase Dan Inosanto, there's only so many ways to stab someone, and everyone invented them. The trident in CMA is called the pah, or tiger fork.
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    A trident is a very effective weapon, I think the only reason its not more common worldwide is that you need higher metallurgy skill to make them compared to spears.
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    Also heavier and therefore slower than a spear of the same length (or shorter than a spear of the same weight), easier to block with a shield, less effective for cutting than a spear, more likely to snag each other in close formation, harder to disengage and re-attack than a spear. It isn't just a matter of metal-working skill.

    Still, a trident can be a very effective weapon. However, a spear can be an even more effective weapon, most of the time.
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    Another trisula/trishula The sai are clearly a Buddhist weapon...from Indian heritage the shape of the sai also honors Shiva.

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