7/27/2012 8:56am, #11danielsaunGuest
7/27/2012 9:12am, #12
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You said everything here.
You were training at a place whose techniques you question (because of ideology-effectiveness- and aliveness in training).
You experienced a wake up call-
Problem is- you'e still training at the same place.
Go to an ACTUAL 'self defense' school- somewhere that involves modern striking and grappling- with a Dog Brothers' philosophy on weapon combat.
7/27/2012 9:43am, #13danielsaunGuest
I am trying to keep an open mind about MMA for SD. I guess I default to MMA=BJJ and I don't want to go the ground because I disagree with many on this site that all SD attacks and street fights go to the ground. That has not been my experience personally and you can watch many a YT fight where I see nothing more than a sloppy haymaker shot and then a clinch.........the clinch occurs because of sloppy technique IMO, maybe I am wrong?
I talked to my brother about this question, he used to bounce, train in MMA and boxing years ago and he thinks fight do go to the ground often. Even if they do I have a bad back and don't think I can roll BJJ with you guys. The Dog Bros, I used to live in OC, CA when they just got started. I wished I would have watched their park fights live. Those dudes are crazy and I have much respect for anyone that will fight with a bastone full blast with almost no protection.
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7/27/2012 10:11am, #14
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Personally- I disagree with the assertion of "not all fights go to the ground= bjj not as effective" Also- look into Paul Vunaks biting/eye gouging stuff- it becomes FAR more effective when ADDED to knowledge of grappling/positioning.
Now- if you feel that learning ground-fighting is 'not SD' because going to ground is not the best choice- learn Dog Brothers perspective on martial arts.
They are ALL about dropping BS flow-y disarm techniques- and learning how to train systems that work.
From what you said to your instructor- it seems like "Die Less Often"- by Dog Brothers would be something you would like.
7/27/2012 10:19am, #15
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In every class there is always that guy that has to argue the toss with the instructor,
though they usualy dont last long, either learning to STFU or are not made too welcome and leave
It wastes training time
Dont be that guy
7/27/2012 10:19am, #16
Feedback? He told you to use silat, in a silat class during silat training. You just admitted you were doing something else. No, asking for feedback is not the same as saying "I don't believe you are teaching me correctly for a self defense situation."
This change in tactics came about from participating in a martial arts events with people that had 30 years MA exp on me and it was do what you have to survive in a slow simulated event. I found that I was was out techniqued and experienced so I went to dirty fighting and the organizer was saying " this is your life do whatever you have to survive". He said he was pleased to see I was not afraid to get dirty. What's funny is the organizer is good friend with my instructor.
I guess part of the challenge I am having is being so new, 3 months, that I am on info overload and a number of things we do don't make sense. I get a lot of information and it conflicts with one another so I am confused. I am very objective in life and so I tend to question a lot, because there are a lot of fakes and BS out there in life.
You are wrong Johnny Cage, he didn't experience a wake up call. He is still talking about training bullshido he likes in a fashion HE likes.
7/27/2012 10:29am, #17danielsaunGuest
7/27/2012 10:34am, #18
I personally think the whole, "I don't care if I go to Jail because I'm defending my family" thing is a copout. If you can't defend yourself without also knowing the consequences of what you are doing, while you are doing it, then you need more training. Otherwise, you are just the average person on the street, flailing around and you don't need any training to do that.
All that aside, it sounds to me like you don't agree, on a bunch of different levels, with what your teacher is teaching. That happens all the time. It should be shortly followed with you leaving the school. End of story. Don't waiste his or your time. Not everyone is there to learn to fight. Some people want the fitness, social, or historical aspect of the art. It is what it is.
7/27/2012 10:35am, #19
I am surprised at bit by some of these responses considering this is Bullshido.
I said well this is about self defense I agree that closest weapon closet target makes sense so that's why I went for the simulated ear slap and it would be effective, from what I have been told. I said yeah but that assumes I can pull off those 4 moves to my 1, ear slap.
He says well you need to be concerned about what the camera sees.
I said with all due respect what I need to be concerned about is the immediate threat and that is the guy attacking me. I will worry about the lawsuit and jail time later which wouldn't be a problem because he attacked me.
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7/27/2012 10:43am, #20
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I agree with you.
By 'wake up call' I didn't mean he ACTUALLY saw truth- I just meant what diesel TKE said- that if he is a white-belt trying to call bullshit on his instructor- (because of 1 seminar) than he has already given himself enough reason to NOT waste his- or the teachers time staying there.
I was trying to point out that- if he thinks his moves are deadly enough that he can criticize what the instructor is teaching- he should either go to a place that ACTUALLY teaches/focuses on what he is talking about/interested in.
OR- STFU and learn.
Just because- there is NO benefit to chirping up with 'eye gouge!' and staying at the current place where he disrespects.
So i'd say either join up with other MABS people and larp it up- OR check out Dog Brothers/ Paul Vunak to learn things SIMILAR to what you are talking about/interested in- but grounded in an alive realistic system.
EDIT: @itisfake- where is your profile gif from? it keeps making me laugh.