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    Good starting position for me? People keep coming over the top

    I am having this problem, I roll, with a bunch of young explosive guys and they are just too quick for me.

    At the beginning I could muscle them but those days have passed.

    I am 30 5,10 fairly strong but not that fit, not enough to keep pressure on.

    I am just looking for some techniques or even a style I should pursue, its getting to me a bit how easily I am getting put on my back but I just don't seem to have any answers for their attacks and scrambles.

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    Having been in your boat 2 times now, I can tell you that it really is just going to come down to putting the time in on the mat.
    Their is no "secret" technique to help you over come stronger faster more technical people.
    Start focusing on the basics big time, my best guess would be to really start paying active attention to your base/combat base
    I also highly recommend
    Doing this

    to improve your pressure and movement.
    But yeah it is going to come down to getting into better BJJ shape and putting the time in to get use to the timing and intensity.

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    My approach to dealing with people who are much stronger and more explosive is

    • If I end up on my back, that's OK, but I don't try to play closed guard -- they explode and they stack and they pressure and it's uncomfortable. Rather, I play any kind of guard that lets me take pressure off. Half guard with knee shield, half butterfly with knee shield...knee shields are my bread and butter here: I don't care how hard they pressure or how much weight they bring to bear if I can carry it on a mechanical structure rather than with strength. They can't collapse my femur, after all.
    • From the top, I want to put as much weight down and exhaust the more athletic players as much as possible. I do this either by playing a mobile knee-on-belly, where I follow as they squirm; or by going to conventional side control, making sure to get high by the head and far from their bridging strength at the hips, and killing the near arm. I might avoid mount since the explosive players can bump me, but I'll look for the back.
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    Those drills look like cool things to do solo if you're away from the gym. Does it matter what size ball you get? (At first I mean. I have a medicine ball)
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    @ the OP:
    Talk to your coach?
    We sometimes work specifics when rolling, ie say start in combat base and if you get
    put on your back>mounted, then reset.



    Quote Originally Posted by XXIV View Post
    Those drills look like cool things to do solo if you're away from the gym. Does it matter what size ball you get? (At first I mean. I have a medicine ball)
    Yes, it's based on height and there's usually a chart on the packaging or sometimes on the balls themselves.
    I'm sure if you google "stability ball size chart" you'll get what you need.

    edit: Andre Galvao and Leo Vieira

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    Sweet, 65cm. They're great to sit on at work too, so comfy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXIV View Post
    Those drills look like cool things to do solo if you're away from the gym. Does it matter what size ball you get? (At first I mean. I have a medicine ball)
    Actually with that particular drill it is good to switch between different sizes. The medicine ball will teach you different angles and pressure then one of the stability balls. Its good, I use to have 3 different sizes ones that I would rotate through doing 5-7 min rounds of constant movement with 1 min break for about an hour a day. I got pretty good at being "heavy" I really need to get back to doing it again....

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXIV View Post
    Sweet, 65cm. They're great to sit on at work too, so comfy.
    XXIV, please read the following stickie: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=115963

    All posts in the technique fora; Basic Technique, Advanced Grappling, Advanced Striking, Physical Training and the Armory, are moderated for on topic posting. We have other forums for meandering discussions, the technique fora are not among them. Please ensure that your post has something to do with the OP before you decide to hit the "submit reply" button.

    Lastly, I realize you were probably not aware of any of this because you're new. So, don't sweat it.

    You should know however that it is ultimately your responsibility to read the stickies (the threads at the top of each forum that say, "XXIV! Read me!") so that you understand the different posting requirements or guidelines of the different fora.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auszi View Post
    I am having this problem, I roll, with a bunch of young explosive guys and they are just too quick for me.

    At the beginning I could muscle them but those days have passed.

    I am 30 5,10 fairly strong but not that fit, not enough to keep pressure on.

    I am just looking for some techniques or even a style I should pursue, its getting to me a bit how easily I am getting put on my back but I just don't seem to have any answers for their attacks and scrambles.
    I've had the same issue.

    I'm a big, strong guy, and as long as I'm on top, I'm feeling good. I think often for guys like us, we have to FORCE OURSELVES to develop a bottom game.

    I start on my butt (damn near) every time I roll. I've been doing this for a couple years now. I get beat so often I should press charges on someone...but my open guard has gotten much better and I finally feel like I've got a solid strategy when someone is on top of me.

    I feel like I wasted about my first 2 years of bjj trying to muscle everything. I was stubborn and stupid...and wouldn't listen when people laughed and told me that **** wasn't going to work. I mistook my success against people who aren't very good as actual successes.

    So...my opinion...you've identified a part of your game that needs a lot of work. Embrace it and work that part of your game for the foreseeable future.

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    Thanks for the responses.

    I wasn't looking for a secret technique but more just a path to follow. I generally start in combat base, and was also wondering whether a seated base going for butterfly guard might be better for me.

    But there is definitely some things here that I am going to take on board.

    cheers

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