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    Olympic Judo VS Freestyle Judo

    I am posting this here as I don't want to have the world crash in on me in the regular forum.

    Having done Judo at a regular school that follows the stream local-provincial-national-international all under the IJF rules and getting to know the group that is all about Freestyle Judo I must say I much prefer Freestyle. I still get to do all the throws in the IJF but I can also attack the legs, have time to set up submissions, punish anyone who stalls by turtling. . . . . there is an entire school that is added. This is where learning Sambo, catch, wrestling and any ground skill you can find becomes benificial. Sure there are still rules so it's not a free-for-allbut I am supprised it hasn't become more popular.
    There must be a reason Why. I just do not have enough experiance or a wide enough knowledge base to know what the reason is. Can someone explain why Freestyle Judo isn't catching on?

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    Freestyle judo is a ruleset that is used in competition under the sanctioning of the AAU and is a fairly recent development. Most judo schools tend to teach to the ruleset the students will actually compete under and I imagine it is FAR easier to find IJF rules tournaments sanctioned by the NGB (IJF rules) than freestyle judo tournaments outside of Missouri and Oklahoma. So unless a school wants people to compete primarily in tournaments other than judo ones, they probably go with the standard ruleset.

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    Not everything the IJF does is evil. I actually think banning attacking the legs is good for Judo - because it has made people relearn a lot of techniques that take longer to perfect but were getting left behind. Similarily leg lock wer ebanned becausse people were getting crippled in Randori etc If Judo just became 10 sec of standing and then 4 mins of Newaza then it would just be the same as BJJ - then it would lose all its specialists in standing techniques. However I dont know the main differences between rules for freestyle and normal Judo - could you sum them up for me (I had a look at the webpage but it was just too long) ?

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    I would study/ compete in free style judo but there are next to zero events in the area. While the more time in newaza and leg grabbing would be nice, competition is where my dojo's area of focus is so I focus on those techniques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    Not everything the IJF does is evil. I actually think banning attacking the legs is good for Judo


    Get your facts straight.

    Hand/arm attacks to the legs ARE NOT BANNED under IJF competition rules. They are not allowed as initial attacks. They are allowed as counter throws.

    because it has made people relearn a lot of techniques that take longer to perfect but were getting left behind.


    No, not really. What it has done is stop the "I'm outgripped so I'll dive at your legs" strategy, along with the "I'm ahead on points so I'll do crappy hand to leg attacks, fall on my belly, and stall on the ground". Among others..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teekin View Post
    I am posting this here as I don't want to have the world crash in on me in the regular forum.

    Having done Judo at a regular school that follows the stream local-provincial-national-international all under the IJF rules and getting to know the group that is all about Freestyle Judo I must say I much prefer Freestyle. I still get to do all the throws in the IJF but I can also attack the legs, have time to set up submissions, punish anyone who stalls by turtling. . . . . there is an entire school that is added. This is where learning Sambo, catch, wrestling and any ground skill you can find becomes benificial. Sure there are still rules so it's not a free-for-allbut I am supprised it hasn't become more popular.
    There must be a reason Why. I just do not have enough experiance or a wide enough knowledge base to know what the reason is. Can someone explain why Freestyle Judo isn't catching on?
    I was at the Canadian Jr. Nationals last weekend. I saw plenty of ne waza,and enough time given for the most part.

    LOL, you can punish the turtle regardless if you are good enough. Most guys who complain except in the worst of refereeing situations just are too slow and need to train more. Not saying you fit that profile, BTW.

    It's not more popular because the majority of Judo organizations compete under the normal IJF rules (for adults and the IJF kids divisions, anyway). Freestyle Judo was more or less a marketing attempt/ploy to attract more BJJ/wrestlers to judo that evolved out of justified frustration with the current and earlier rule changes and how much time refs allowed for ne waza to develop (essentially an interpretation of progress). The directive from the IJF now is to allow ne waza to develop, and that is being pretty much followed from what I have seen lately.

    Ne waza is optional in Judo. Stalling by turtling can be a viable strategy in competition. Now that the current interpretation of the rules allows ne waza to develop, I'm seeing more and more successful turtle/pancake attacks.

    As far as the leg grabs go, just make an real intial attack and follow it up with a leg grab. I saw that several time at Canadian nationals.
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    Thank you to all of you who replied. I have been out of sport Judo for a few years and may go back as they are allowing ne waza to once again be a contributing factor. Hopefully this means that the entire Judo syllabus will be taught again. I DO prefer judo to BJJ but missed being able to develope the set-up for a submission.

    I don't do MA to Win at anything or climb the competitive food chain. My ego isn't tied into this at all. I am a Very skilled and accomplished rider, my Ego Was tied into my success as a well rounded horsewoman and that included doing extreemly well in competition. I found as I got older and more experienced, that fact that I had "won" a class/ division/ competition meant FA. Being the best of a bunch of mediocre rides isn't saying much is it ? So I began just to ride against myself and the "Ideal", the 10/10. How I compare to other riders who ride the same level/test or in a class just doesn't matter. I ride and compete for the love of the sport. Because there is too much to learn in just 1 lifetime, there is a remarkable depth to the sport that you only see once you have trancended caring about how you "appear" to your peers. I think the exact same can be said of Martial Arts.

    Once you stop caring about how you appear to your peers and work Just because you Love how deep and intricate the disciplines are, the way you look at competitions changes completely. Competitions become a learning tool, each opponent a teacher. This is the truest test of how well you can Apply what you have learned. Where you are strong and where you are weak will become very clear. How you were defeated is a road map through the holes in your education. Exploring those holes is more than 1/2 the fun of doing MA, period. Whether you "win" or not becomes immaterial. I do MA, specificly the arts the are heavy in ne waza because they are are an centering and because this is where I find my "Bliss".

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