Thread: Drunken Fist
7/04/2012 8:56pm, #31
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7/04/2012 8:59pm, #32
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The drunken style I've observed on videos looks like choreograhpy to me for the most part. If one wants to learn kinaesthetic awareness, i.e., the ability to know where your body and parts are in space while doing complex movement, I'd suggest a good gymnastics class, especially for children. It's generic movement training, rather than somethign apparently developed to look good.
No doubt that the people who demo the drunken style are coordinated. Complex physical skills can be learned in a lot of ways, obviously. But the less specialized the method the better, IMO.
That is why in Judo we learn to do basic gymnastics (or should anyway). Cartwheels, roundoffs, kips ups, solo and with partners. Build the basic skills, then apply them in Judo situations where they are useful.Falling for Judo since 1980
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7/05/2012 2:02am, #33
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I think you have some sort of universalist thought on martial arts and think you will find some nuggets in every style. Since you say you re very literal, try this: start with the premise that all martial arts do not work unless PROVEN otherwise to your satisfaction. Then review them all one by one and look for proof. I would recommend at a minimum that a style must be shown to work in actual combat by multiple people to consider it as working.
7/05/2012 12:00pm, #34
Here's a CLF version, Sifu Keit was mentioned in the other thread, but no one posted a video.
The Buk Sing guys have another version, as does Chan family iirc.
Here's the KF Mag article by Sifu Keit.
7/05/2012 12:17pm, #35
He Vacillates between form and style which causes the problem we see within the OP.
It is like using the Southpaw, peek-a-boo, etc etc etc style. You are still boxing and it isn't a new or different type of "boxing." In other words, the Sifu is still CLF he is just talking about Drunken CLF, it isn't a new separate art called Drunken Kung fu.
While this wiki article isn't great, it is a quick example of what I mean. All of those are "styles" or "forms" of boxing, not arts with their own individual separate history.
7/05/2012 12:20pm, #36
7/05/2012 12:25pm, #37
Oh and let me add, the kung fu article is good, except for the use and possible confusion concerning "form" and "style."
7/05/2012 12:28pm, #38
7/05/2012 12:30pm, #39
Yes. I also think much of that was his broken English and the American tendency to **** up simple meanings from anyone of Asian decent.
7/05/2012 12:32pm, #40
But hey, it gives people something to argue about decades later!
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