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    Pushing Hands is a crucial part of Tai Chi chuan training
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedspirit View Post
    Pushing Hands is a crucial part of Tai Chi chuan training
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion View Post
    There's overlap but sticking hands and pushing hands are different in that sticking hands is more about finding gaps to strike through, whereas pushing hands is more focussed on taking the other person's balance.
    Whilst that is the general consensus, my teacher says that the "emphasis" on Shuaifa over strikes is recent and that Tuishou should incorporate all four traditional aspects of combat, as does Sanshou. Shuaifa is one thing that I find very lacking in Yongchun, like most southern arts, but this is my personal preference. :)

    Also, I think that to treat Tuishou as a "game" is defeating the purpose. It was never meant as a destination, but just a stop on the road to kicking arse. I think that for those wanting to just study Taiji for its wrestling aspect it would be far more beneficial to join Shuaijiao tournaments. The thing about Taiji is that there is a lot to learn and the learning curve can be steep. At least there are some well-rounded fighters emerging to bring the combat back into the art. ;)
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    In tuishou, some of the pushes are used to practice the hand-strikes, and some sweeps and reaping used to practice the low kicks. Start actually doing the striking instead of just "showing" it, you have sanshou.

    The sportification of pushing hands has led to an overemphasis on shuaifa, definitely. It's also easier to teach without all the painful chin-na, so...
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    In the rare events when someone wants to learn from me, I teach push hands as How To Not Spaz, so I introduce it early on.
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    I recently described push hands as wrestling with Anchorman rules.
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    Absolutely, just as any time you shift your weight to the forward leg you could be doing a shoulder or elbow strike. That being said, knowing your options and being able to pull them off in sparring are two totally different things.. Luckily I already studied Sanda for years before starting Taiji, so I'm not in a huge rush...
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