*SPOILERS*UFC 148: Silva vs Sonnen II - July 7, 2012

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 7/10/2012 7:48am

Originally Posted by SifuJason

Yes, it's called prostate cancer. Testosterone (injected or natural) induces prostate growth, and prostate cancer. Half of men of over 75% have asymptomatic prostate cancer on biopsy, and it's over 90% (IIRC) at 85. It's that testosterone goes down as you age, so it's slow growing and won't kill you before something else does.

STUDIES, he asked for STUDIES. Shhhhhh... No, you didn't answer his question.

**Kambei Shimada** · Posted On: 7/10/2012 9:46am

That shot was absolutely to the body - his thigh slides across Chael's face but there's nothing illegal about the strike.

**Hiro Protagonist** · Posted On: 7/10/2012 10:21am

Originally Posted by Tranquil Suit

This ain't BE, pal.

**bobyclumsyninja** · Posted On: 7/10/2012 2:50pm

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/p...silva/799695/1

Chael Sonnen's coach Scott McQuarry today told MMAjunkie.com that Anderson Silva's second-round TKO of Sonnen is "an injustice" and he plans to appeal the bout's official result.

McQuarry said he's contacted Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer to find out the steps for an appeal and has yet to hear back.

"Anybody can file an appeal, but as you know, the referee's decision is final," Kizer told MMAjunkie.com while on his way to the 2012 UFC Fighters Summit to discuss therapeutic-use exemptions. "He's the sole determiner that the knee was a lawful strike, and then he stopped the fight thereafter after the additional strikes. I don't know what the legal basis would be."
Sonnen manager Mike Roberts said he had no knowledge of a pending appeal and said he thought "somebody is making it up."

Silva's camp, meanwhile, believes Sonnen's coaches are focused on the wrong thing.
"I should appeal his coaching staff, and maybe his coaching staff should do a better job of coaching their athlete," Silva's manager, Ed Soares, today said. "Instead of focusing on appealing something so little, maybe he should attend an Anderson Silva seminar or something."

lol

**upkick** · Posted On: 7/10/2012 11:07pm

id like to see chael vs lombard

**SifuJason** · Posted On: 7/11/2012 9:07am

Originally Posted by It is Fake

STUDIES, he asked for STUDIES. Shhhhhh... No, you didn't answer his question.

Silly science, trix are for kids.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 7/11/2012 11:38am

Originally Posted by SifuJason

Silly pseudoscience, trix are for kids.

Fixed.

**SifuJason** · Posted On: 7/11/2012 11:57am

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Fixed.

Seriously? Right now, the field is in a bit of flux regarding the long-term risks of exogenous testosterone therapy. It used to be felt it would significantly impact prostate cancer risk, and now the belief is that the risks are less than previously thought. The field, however, has seen a lot of changing and conflicting pieces of data in recent years, and what is really needed is a large prospective study.

However, Gezere's implication that testosterone use has no health consequences is BS. It definitely causes hypogonadism in young males, which can lead to the need for TRT later in life. Whether that also has further health consequences is the medical question, and since it's not decided, I generally try and avoid taking something where the long-term consequences are so vague, when possible.

**SifuJason** · Posted On: 7/11/2012 12:04pm

So for example:

Testosterone bad for Prostate cancer

T has no effect on prostate cancer or PBH

Testosterone has an effect on cardiovascular risk that is hard to determine

There is no effect of T on cardiovascular risks

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 7/11/2012 12:12pm

Originally Posted by SifuJason

Seriously?

Yes. It got you to get all pissed off, rant as usual, and then produce some helpful information.

Why? You are a dick when it comes to anything medically related.

Right now, the field is in a bit of flux regarding the long-term risks of exogenous testosterone therapy. It used to be felt it would significantly impact prostate cancer risk, and now the belief is that the risks are less than previously thought. The field, however, has seen a lot of changing and conflicting pieces of data in recent years, and what is really needed is a large prospective study.

He did ask for a study didn't he? Yes, he did.

However, Gezere's implication that testosterone use has no health consequences is BS. It definitely causes hypogonadism in young males, which can lead to the need for TRT later in life. Whether that also has further health consequences is the medical question, and since it's not decided, I generally try and avoid taking something where the long-term consequences are so vague, when possible.

Right all of that was implied in these simple words:

Originally Posted by Gezere

Do you have any studies that show a negative consequence of good steriod use (as opposed to abuse ie taking cycle after cycle after cycle)?