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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_cage View Post
    That is EXACTLY why the point/judging system in the UFC is broken- because people cheer to see GSP or Sonnen dance away from striking (throwing combos in between) and halfway through the round closing the gap- and sitting on their heels in guard throwing hammers..
    Have you seen GSP vs Penn II? It's VERY possible to do damage from inside the guard, but ONLY if you are a) way taller than your opponent and/or b) way better than your opponent. Which GSP happens to be (most of the time), and Sonnen wasn't (against Silva).

    Also it was very obvious that Sonnen's strikes were solidly effective in the last fight (many weaker strikes over and over to the brain can cause the same effect as one big one). Silva was exhausted when he sunk in that Triangle-Armbar Combination in miraculous and skillful fashion. This time around, Sonnen did NO damage. This should be attributed to the defensive skills of Anderson Silva, not a lack of effectiveness in the strategy of doing damage from the guard by Chael Sonnen. (Which, btw, Sonnen wasn't doing. He was obviously passing, because at the end of the round he ended up in mount)

    Also comparing GSP's stand up to Sonnen's is apples and oranges. One guy has surprisingly decent boxing, the other is a KKK Black Belt who trains boxing under Freddie Roach (you know, the guy who did mitt work for Tyson, Pacquiao, Tomey, just to name a few).

    GSP may not have the most exciting style, but it's hard to keep finishing guys at the highest level while maintaining a win streak (especially when a couple years ago everyone called the WW division the most stacked division in the UFC). Anderson Silva is (discussed as) P4P #1 for a reason, it's his ability to continue having entertaining finishes at the highest level. Not everyone can do that and not risk losing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerstörer90 View Post
    it's his ability to continue having entertaining finishes at the highest level. Not everyone can do that and not risk losing.
    EXACTLY- thats my point- I know GSP and Sonnen are completely different fighters- but my point is;
    ANYONE who thinks chael 'doesnt know bjj' is high off their ass- HIM (and nearly every top level competitor) are WORLD class in [usually] all aspects of their game-

    But when Sonnen sits on his heels PRETENDING to throw effective hammer strikes (even though he is aware they are not- AND he is MORE than capable of passing guard etc) the REASON he doesnt is > HE DOES NOT WANT TO ATTEMPT IT AND RISK LOSING!

    I Just dislike that (whether by design- or by flaw.) the point system causes fighters to DRAMATICALLY pander to the 'event'

    (ie Anderson Silva being booed for not trading punches.. yet he ends the fight with a KO- while at the SAME TIME- GSP gets cheered for stalling in half mount to 'ground and pound' when he is MORE than capable of attempting to ACTUALLY finish with submission or strikes- but instead DOESNT- because throwing hammers LOOKS like 'winning' and is less risky)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gezere View Post
    Also they're fighting juiced up gorillas already. Not everyone gets caught.
    Wouldn't that be an argument for the thorough testing of all fighters, not for instituting a free-for-all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gezere View Post
    Do you have any studies that show a negative consequence of good steriod use (as opposed to abuse ie taking cycle after cycle after cycle)?

    Also they're fighting juiced up gorillas already. Not everyone gets caught.
    Yes, it's called prostate cancer. Testosterone (injected or natural) induces prostate growth, and prostate cancer. Half of men of over 75% have asymptomatic prostate cancer on biopsy, and it's over 90% (IIRC) at 85. It's that testosterone goes down as you age, so it's slow growing and won't kill you before something else does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erezb View Post
    First, yes Gorilla fights are awesome so are fights between Brock Lesner and the like.
    You already have a huge arena of juiced up performers it is called the WWE. Talking about the safety of the fighters is a little ridiculous, do you see what they are doing for a living? do you think a controlled supervised hormonal treatment or steroidal treatment is worse than training like a maniac 24-7 destroying your joints and your brain so you can do exactly that in a cage? Doctors prescribe hormones and steroids 24-7 (hair loss, chronic inflammation, Thyroid or gonad removal and so on). The steroids help reduce inflammation that is always high in fighters due to muscle strain and injuries, and the hormones help build and sustain those big muscles needed to fight. It will be supervised of course and i don't think if properly supervised it is that bad, they all use it anyway they just stop a bit before tests so levels drop to "normal".
    Wrong type of steroids for inflammation. Steroids to treat inflammation are catabolic, not anabolic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erezb View Post
    First, yes Gorilla fights are awesome so are fights between Brock Lesner and the like.
    You already have a huge arena of juiced up performers it is called the WWE. Talking about the safety of the fighters is a little ridiculous, do you see what they are doing for a living? do you think a controlled supervised hormonal treatment or steroidal treatment is worse than training like a maniac 24-7 destroying your joints and your brain so you can do exactly that in a cage? Doctors prescribe hormones and steroids 24-7 (hair loss, chronic inflammation, Thyroid or gonad removal and so on). The steroids help reduce inflammation that is always high in fighters due to muscle strain and injuries, and the hormones help build and sustain those big muscles needed to fight. It will be supervised of course and i don't think if properly supervised it is that bad, they all use it anyway they just stop a bit before tests so levels drop to "normal".
    Wrong type of steroids for inflammation. Steroids to treat inflammation are catabolic, not anabolic.
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    Also TRT seems to shrink the testicles in younger men. **** just got serious.

    TRT's long term effects/ramifications aren't that well studied. Fighters in their late twenties or early thirties aren't really the target group for it from what I've seen in medical articles. This is IMO an end run around doping restrictions.
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    Ouch, right on the sternum.
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    He just thighed that man in the face! That can't be legal!
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