Restraining Order Against Paul Vunak

**Hanniballistic** · Posted On: 6/21/2012 11:19pm

Linked discussion on MAP

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...d.php?t=110418

**BigSifu67** · Posted On: 6/22/2012 6:07am

*Gets popcorn...

**crappler** · Posted On: 6/23/2012 6:20pm

Based on what I am reading here, I am surprised the police aren't involved.

**TieBoxer** · Posted On: 6/24/2012 6:52am

This is absolutely nothing new. I went through this about a year ago, as have many people before me who got too involved with Paul.

I was with him for nearly 15 years, was a passionate advocate of his and considered him to be a good friend. That was until I decided to stand up for a point of view that disagreed with his. I was subjected to weeks of abusive and threatening voicemails and emails from Vunak and Cruse - I still have them. I had to contact the authorities and change my phone numbers, it was an ugly time.

I remember at the time I turned to Singh for his support, but he picked his side and joined in on the threats too, I still have his email. So as much as I'd like to say I feel for him, unfortunately you make your choices in life and you have to live with them. He's just finding out what many of us have found out over the years, behind all the slick marketing PFS is just an ugly scene where people get chewed up and spat out.

I think the point has come now where the PFS graveyard is full, there's maybe only one space left. Sadly, judging by the video in the other thread, I don't think it's long before that space is filled.

**Phrost** · Posted On: 6/24/2012 8:26am

If you still have the email, can you post it here?

We don't operate witch hunts, so any relevant information is essential to making sure people are fully informed.

**BigSifu67** · Posted On: 6/24/2012 9:26am

Yikes! So glad I never made the trip. I always thought Cruse was the stacle one too.

**TieBoxer** · Posted On: 6/24/2012 10:09am

Originally Posted by Phrost

If you still have the email, can you post it here?

We don't operate witch hunts, so any relevant information is essential to making sure people are fully informed.

I don't want to post personal emails on an open forum. I just wanted to share my experiences to highlight that this is not an isolated incident. I have no personal beef with Singh, I just think he got a little too wrapped up in Vu's world and it came back to bite him on the backside. I'm sure he'd probably be the first to admit that.

**madsox** · Posted On: 6/24/2012 11:18am

Damn, this is sad to see.

I was in the Inosanto extended family when I was studying/practicing the JKD, Jun Fan, all that, so people had mixed opinions of Mr. Vunak and his group, but not bad. I always heard Vunak and his people were good too, just a different path to follow.

Well, time to kick back and watch (pass me a beer, somebody!)...

**Phrost** · Posted On: 6/24/2012 11:46am

Originally Posted by TieBoxer

I don't want to post personal emails on an open forum. I just wanted to share my experiences to highlight that this is not an isolated incident. I have no personal beef with Singh, I just think he got a little too wrapped up in Vu's world and it came back to bite him on the backside. I'm sure he'd probably be the first to admit that.

Well the problem is, you've mentioned it. So the information is out there already, just unverified.

**TieBoxer** · Posted On: 6/24/2012 12:08pm

Originally Posted by Phrost

Well the problem is, you've mentioned it. So the information is out there already, just unverified.

I don't see that as a problem. This is not a legal proceeding, it's just an internet forum, people are welcome to take my post on face value or contest it if they choose. I assumed I would be free to come on Bullshido and share my opinions and experiences, without being asked to produce substantiating documentation. If I'm wrong on that then just delete the post, no big deal.