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    Sure your art can discover "new ways," but they need to be tested. I just take exception to the negativity of CMAers and the "it just kinda turns into people kickboxing with palm strikes." As a former instructor, it hinders your development. Fighting isn't pretty and most techniques have a CMA flavor, but don't look like your forms.

    It weird because BJJers and Judokas respect each other to a certain extent. CMAers tend to **** on everything. No, this isn't always the case, but I hear much more "eww kickboxing" than "eww wrestling" from BJJers.

    Now, don't mix "I hate wrestlers IN TRAINING" with disparaging wrestling as a whole.
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    I think I read chunks of that book many years ago. I recall Adam Hsu saying something about what describes a "kung fu" way of fighting. I think he said something like if you punch with your left fist and fail to strike again from the left side before going to the right, it's not kung fu fighting. If I recalled that correctly, then a throwing a standard 1-2 combination wouldn't be kung fu. Maybe this is from his baji where they throw the elbow or shoulder of the same side after a punch or something.
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    I wonder if there are differences between shuai jiao throws and judo throws.
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    I recall Adam Hsu saying something about what describes a "kung fu" way of fighting. I think he said something like if you punch with your left fist and fail to strike again from the left side before going to the right, it's not kung fu fighting.
    Yes, and many a CMA master has fostered that belief. Pretty much I read and listen until they say something in that fashion. I like to chalk it up to keeping students.

    No, this isn't just a CMA problem.
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    I'm not saying anything negative about kickboxing

    just that if you're learning xingyi or whatever then you should try to apply your practiced techniques to sparring. Now obviously a zuan quan in application won't really look exactly how you practice it, or even much like it. but it will have a different sort of flavor and trajectory than a kickboxing/mt type uppercut, right?

    or maybe im just full of ****.

    edit: i guess you already mentioned that.
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    but it will have a different sort of flavor and trajectory than a kickboxing/mt type uppercut, right?
    Right and to the layman it will look like "bkickboxing with palm strikes" All I'm saying is this perception needs to disappear before CMA can move forward. A CMA practitioner will say "hmmm that was drilling" a Boxing guy will say "hmm an uppercut."

    The thing is get it into the ring OR out in the open before worrying about aesthetics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gttintin View Post
    I think I read chunks of that book many years ago. I recall Adam Hsu saying something about what describes a "kung fu" way of fighting. I think he said something like if you punch with your left fist and fail to strike again from the left side before going to the right, it's not kung fu fighting. If I recalled that correctly, then a throwing a standard 1-2 combination wouldn't be kung fu. Maybe this is from his baji where they throw the elbow or shoulder of the same side after a punch or something.
    This was my least favorite part of the book, along with the idea that you can't pull back an attack after its thrown(i see nothing wrong or 'unkungfu' with feinting)

    I guess its his accretive belief in the arts he's practiced. Baji has a lot of moves that are supposed to change in application based on the opponents reaction and position. Bagua is about changing an attack to something else if it doesnt work, and taichi and baji place heavy emphasis on sticking to your opponent and continuing to infight for position

    its an interesting concept, and in theory it makes some sense., but i havent seen it really applied in the ring or in sparring at all throughtout the course of the match (although I have seen this in spurts for sure)

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Right and to the layman it will look like "bkickboxing with palm strikes" All I'm saying is this perception needs to disappear before CMA can move forward. A CMA practitioner will say "hmmm that was drilling" a Boxing guy will say "hmm an uppercut."

    The thing is get it into the ring OR out in the open before worrying about aesthetics.
    Well what i meant by 'kickboxing with palm strikes I meant the techniques themselves but with essentially a lot of the power mechanics being left out. I agree that you have to ring test everything ultimately as well.
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    i really think that those who can't get their head around the bowing thing (because their angry sky daddy will punish them) don't deserve judo. life is full of choices, and if your bronze age superstitions are holding you back, so be it.
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    I wonder if there are differences between shuai jiao throws and judo throws.
    yes, there are. you do realize that they have different rule sets, goals and concepts, right?
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