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    Naudi Aguilar on the practicability of steroids in MMA.
    Not much to the point, but surely some things to consider.

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    UFC President Dana White Says TRT Is 'Great' One Month After Calling It 'Junk' Needed Due To Prior Abuse

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/6/...ement-legality

    The article is sort of a quote war, so, here, only the important part:

    [Thus spake Dana:]
    ...Here's the thing about TRT. It's absolutely 100% legal. As sports medicine continues to advance, this is one of those things where every guy's testosterone level starts to drop as they get older and this is basically sports science now where they can bring it back up to a normal level. And I think it's great, it's absolutely fair, it's legal. The problem is, there are guys who say if this much is good THIS MUCh must be great, so you have guys who are always trying to do more than they're supposed to do. The big job is policing it, making sure that it's not being abused, that guys are using it the way it's supposed to be used.
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    Another story, MMA-unrelated, but simply awesome. In a sad way.


    Melky Cabrera Cooked Up A Phony Website To Try To Beat His Suspension

    http://deadspin.com/5935999/melky-ca...his-suspension

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    The New York Daily News has discovered that in an effort to beat the rap on his 50-game suspension, Melky and his "associates" devised a scheme that included purchasing a website for $10,000, making this website appear to sell a fake product and pretending Melky purchased and used the product, unaware that it contained a banned substance. Ohh, this close.
    Cabrera offered the website as evidence during his appeal and the scheme devolved into comedy in short order.

    MLB's department of investigations quickly began asking questions about the website and the "product" - Where was the site operating from? Who owned it? What kind of product was it? - and quickly discovered that an existing website had been altered, adding an ad for the product, a topical cream, that didn't exist.

    Perhaps the worst part in all this is that Jeff Novitzky is back on the scene and Melky has, as the Daily News put it "exposed his associates to scrutiny" from the FDA sleuth.

    A "Cabrera associate," Juan Nunez, is taking the fall for most of this. Cabrera's agents, Sam and Seth Levinson are swearing up and down that they had no knowledge of this crackpot scheme, let alone anything to do with it. They are also quick to point out the employment designation of Juan Nunez; he is a "paid consultant" not an "employee."

    "Juan Nunez is NOT a salaried employee of ACES and does NOT receive the benefits that all ACES employees receive," Levinson said. "Most importantly, any and all calls, texts and emails that he sends come from his own PERSONAL devices (BlackBerry)."

    So, no implication to the Levinsons' company (Athletes' Career Enhanced and Secured, Inc.), either. Got it.

    And it's worth noting that it always seems to be the "associates" as opposed to the "representatives," doesn't it? Some poor tag-along sap has to come forward, or get blamed, while Seth Levinson can write via email "I will state unequivocally and irrefutably that any payment made to the website does not come from ACES." to the Daily News without flinching.
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    Keith Kizer admits NSAC doctor issuing testosterone passes isn’t an endocrinologist

    http://www.fightopinion.com/2012/09/...-testosterone/


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    I’ve had many people ask me why I haven’t devoted more time recently investigating Keith Kizer and the Nevada State Athletic Commission. The truth is that there is so much going on in California, a state that has as twice as many shows happening as any other in America, I only have enough time and resources to focus on one mess that needs to be cleaned up. You know how extensive our investigation into the state of affairs in California has been.
    However, don’t come away with the impression that we have a lack of interest in what’s happening with the mess that Keith Kizer has created in Nevada. Trust me, there is no more single infuriating regulatory figurehead in combat sports than Keith Kizer.
    Keith Kizer is a man who says that testosterone usage for muscular fighters should not be viewed as a scarlet letter. The reality is that there isn’t a bigger drug enabler in combat sports today than Keith Kizer, the man who grants hall passes to fighters so that they can use testosterone, the base chemical of anabolic steroids. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out just how dangerous testosterone usage can be in combat sports and what the main reasons for usage are. The majority of fighters who are begging for testosterone hall passes are doing so because of previous or current steroid usage or because of brain damage from concussions.
    What makes Kizer’s public stance about testosterone usage so offensive is how much he regards testosterone usage as an entitlement to fighters in combat sports. He actually uses the word entitled or entitlement when discussing fighters using testosterone. It’s really a remarkable admission of shamelessness on the part of a regulator who is one accident, one death away in a Nevada-regulated fight from getting his pants sued off for millions of dollars due to issues of strict liability.
    This man is a lawyer who worked at the Nevada AG office.
    We discussed in our recent California report about the legal classification for combat sports and how that classification means that the current piss-poor regulatory practices we’re seeing in California and Nevada is leaving these states vulnerable to lawsuits. Even worse, the regulators involved know that they are engaged in risky behavior and haven’t changed their ways.
    The Sweet Science: Drug testing will remain a joke until someone is severely injured and lawsuits are filed
    Kizer’s stance regarding drug testing is pretty simple. He believes only in the drug testing Nevada does as the #1 barometer for drug testing and that any external drug testing from agencies like USADA or VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency) is supplemental window dressing. He also has a real vendetta against Dr. Margaret Goodman, who formerly worked for the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Every time Kizer tries to make some wise crack in an interview against VADA or Dr. Goodman, he shows his ass and beclowns himself to an embarrassing degree. Like, when he admits that VADA testing catches fighters cheating while Nevada testing doesn’t because they don’t use Carbon Isotope Ratio testing unless a fighter fails a standard urine test in the first place.
    What makes Kizer such a detestable figurehead in combat sports is just how vacuous he is when he talks. He is the classic example of a man who thinks he’s smarter than he really is and yet is too oblivious to the mistakes he makes when he talks. And when he barely gets challenged on a factual basis, he squeals like a pig. Ask Mauro Ranallo. In Keith Kizer’s world, marijuana is a performance enhancer but testosterone is A-OK. Under his administration, marijuana users get punished harder and scolded while testosterone users are patted on the back and told that they are entitled to use the drug.
    No one has a bigger legacy of enabling the proliferation of testosterone usage in MMA under the guise of regulatory approval than Keith Kizer. That is his personal & professional legacy for the rest of his life. And if you think he has any clue as to why he should be frightened by his legacy, this recent interview is proof positive that he is still lacking in self-awareness about the Pandora’s Box he has now opened up.
    In a recent interview for the new web site Fight Medicine, Kizer admits that the testosterone hall passes being granted to fighters in both boxing & Mixed Martial Arts are being granted by a doctor that is not an endocrinologist.
    When you do review TUEs, who’s on the board that reviews these exemptions? Are there ringside doctors or endocrinologists (hormone specialists) on the committee?

    We have a consulting physician who does all of our medical information. Timothy Trainor’s his name. So he does all that stuff, and he’s the consulting physician for the Commission. What he does is he’ll go out and review the information. He’ll talk to experts in the field if it’s something beyond his basic level of practice or knowledge. And so he’ll have his consultants and specialists he’ll talk to, in this case endocrinologists or something along those lines, that helps him in these issues.

    There’s also a broader policy type issue. We have a medical advisory board or medical advisory panel, which we have doctors with various different specialties that come onboard and, again, if it’s something that doesn’t fall within one of their specialties, we’ll invite other experts in the field – specialists in the field – to come and testify before the panel.

    Dr. Timothy Trainor is an orthopedic doctor, as in a doctor that deals with bones & tissue. He’s not an endocrinologist. The fact that anyone in the Nevada AG’s office or the state’s Department of Business & Industry thinks that it’s a good idea legally to allow an orthopedic doctor to grant hall passes for testosterone usage is absolutely crazy. These people are out of their minds.
    Earlier, we mentioned Kizer’s obsession with trashing Margaret Goodman. Here’s a perfect example of how Kizer tries to go after not only VADA but anyone in the media supporting better drug testing.
    Translation: The writers are just a bunch of sock puppets.
    But they have the supplemental testing, whether it’s done by USADA (United States Anti-doping Association, a branch of WADA) or VADA or somebody else, that’s something for the contracting parties to decide. But I definitely would be in favor of any additional drug testing that the applicable parties want to do. But I’m not endorsing anybody. I know USADA and VADA have had their war of words with each other because they both want that dollar from the promoters. And they both have their PR people masquerading as journalists in the press or in the blogs pushing for them. I make it easy. You want to do a fight here in Nevada? You have to come through the Commission and we’re going to do any test we want to do. If you don’t like it, you’re not fighting here. It’s very easy. There, they have to fight it out, a peer battle and put each other down and put other people down and try to get that buck, that ever important buck. We don’t have to do that. So I just want to make it clear that we’re not endorsing anybody.

    Next, Kizer goes back to his old routine about the T/E ratio, which is really only one barometer to use for standard urine testing.
    And the six to one, of course, came from what? That’s what WADA has used for most of its existence. Most of the time they’ve been doing T/E ratios, they have used six to one. You don’t want to brand someone as a cheater. You don’t want these false positives. To me, a false positive is a lot worse than a false negative. It’s the whole thing about sending an innocent man to jail or a guilty man going free.

    WADA uses 4:1 now, which leaves only a little room for false positives. A small window, at best. However, what the VADA testing in the Lamont Peterson case exposed is that you don’t need a high T/E ratio to be caught cheating. VADA uses Carbon Isotope Ratio testing, which is the same standard that Nevada uses only in the appeals process when a fighter flunks a weaker drug test. If that reads as hypocritical to you on Nevada’s part, it is. It was the CIR test that revealed Peterson had been microdosing on testosterone with pellets.
    In the grand scheme of things, focusing singularly on the T/E ratio is like being distracted by a shiny object.
    Incredibly, Kizer defends his drug testing protocols by citing… California!
    I know I talked with the California Commission. They went from six to one to four to one about two years ago. When I checked with their recently departed executive officer a couple of months ago, I said, “How many guys did you get – that you test – that fell between four to one and six to one on their T/E ratio?” And he said, “Keith, absolutely nobody. Of the hundreds we tested, nobody.”

    Of course you’re not going to catch every cheater who knows how to skate under the 4:1 ratio. Just ask Lamont Peterson. The idea that Kizer would cite California’s drug testing protocols after what happened recently at the Strikeforce show in San Diego just blows my mind.
    The icing on the cake from Kizer, unfortunately, is this gem about more stringent drug testing protocols:
    It’s funny, if you ask the people making the argument to test everyone why they don’t do it themselves, they won’t answer you because their answer is, they don’t have the resources to do that. I don’t know any drug testing group that tests every athlete in their jurisdiction every week. You can’t. You can’t. And if you could, it wouldn’t be fair to the athletes to do that. But you do what you can with your resources, and obviously, we do very a good job with ours.

    It’s done in tennis, where you’re required to notify drug testing authorities where you are located and at what time.
    What makes Kizer’s act so tired and played out is that he keeps barking about how testosterone usage can be harmful in combat sports and yet says that athletes should be entitled to using it. It always comes back to this axiom – if testosterone didn’t enhance your performance, then nobody would be using it. If Kizer believes so strongly in WADA standards, then why doesn’t Nevada actually use them? Only a few athletes in the history of the Olympics have ever been granted hall passes for testosterone, including one individual who had a missing testicle. That’s how high the bar is in order to get a TUE.
    If you’re a steroid user, testosterone usage allows you to double-dip and gives you more physical strength to inflict head trauma against your opponent. If you suffer from brain damage due to concussions, testosterone lets you continue fighting and absorb more head trauma which results in more brain damage.
    Apparently to Keith Kizer, selling out the health & safety of fighters is worth justifying his $86,000 a year salary. I wonder what kind of price tag a jury in a courtroom would put on a fighter who gets severely injured, paralyzed, or killed at the hands of an opponent who is a testosterone user. I suspect the price tag for a verdict would be more than $86,000. I pray that this scenario doesn’t happen but the environment has unfortunately been fostered for an incident like this to occur down the road. That is the legacy of Keith Kizer in the combat sports landscape. He’s just lucky that the mainstream press doesn’t take combat sports as seriously as they do baseball. Otherwise, every new fighter being granted a testosterone hall pass from Nevada would be getting chewed out like Melky Cabrera or Bartolo Colon.
    Baseball players who use testosterone are trying to hit a baseball as hard as they can. Boxers & MMA fighters who use testosterone are trying to concuss their opponent as hard as they can and inflict trauma to the brain. You tell me which scenario should require more scrutiny when it comes to testosterone usage. You tell me which scenario is a bigger red flag in terms of legal consequences. You tell me which scenario is more likely to cause someone to get legitimately hurt and end someone’s career.





    I had thought to make this thread more of an archive, and less of a testimony to my opinion, but, really...

    Really.

    REALLY.

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    I'm on TRT...It changed my life for the better in more ways than I can count. It is going to get much more popular in the future as the benefits severely outweigh the risks. I say let em juice their faces off.
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    Its a different situation here in the UK as there is no governing body and steroids are legal to import , possess and use (just not to sell) so if a promoter does not stipulate that the fighter should not use PEDs its not actually wrong per-say.

    Thats why you see some fighters in the UK dropping allot of weight when they get into the UFC (Karlos Vemola HW to MW)
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    Playing devil's advocate for sake of debate:

    Statistically, use of performance enhancing drugs in MMA has not equated with increasing one's chances of winning (based on those who have been busted). What many of these guys & gals are trying to do is prolong their careers and speed recovery because of the abuse their bodies take. So, why should we care if they want to **** up their own bodies? If they don't have a better chance of winning, is the palying field really uneven?

    Having said that, I am all for WADA regs in MMA and anti-doping policies. But, mainly for health & safety reasons. But, I am not going to use the "even playing field" argument. In fact, many of these folks are actually trying to even the playing field because they are really too old and battered to be fighting or coming to the end of their careers and can't keep up with the younger, newer fighters.
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    I am one step short of going all Charlton-Heston-goes-"Soylent Green is people" on this ****:


    UFC “Can’t” Disclose Who Applied for Therapeutic Use Exemptions for TRT at UFC 152

    http://www.cagepotato.com/ufc-cant-d...rt-at-ufc-152/

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    The UFC’s unofficial support for Testosterone Replacement Therapy may just have become more or less official. Because the Ontario Athletic Commission doesn’t engage in the pesky business of drug testing, responsibility falls to the UFC to do so. This isn’t the first time this has happened, and certainly the UFC’s own policies have caught fighters doping. But things are a little different now – fighters have a legal means of obtaining synthetic testosterone, the primary component of many anabolic steroids. The flipside of this is that they need to acquire a therapeutic use exemption in order to use TRT, which at least illuminates who is using the stuff to enhance their performance.

    Or at least it would be illuminated if the UFC were to release the names of fighters who requested TUEs, which they are obligated to do when dealing with a commission that gives a damn about at the very least appearing to maintain some semblance of professionalism. Since Ontario’s athletic commission doesn’t happen to belong to that exclusive group, the UFC “can not disclose if a fighter on the UFC 152 card has requested a therapeutic use exemption (TUE) for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT).” [Emphasis added.]

    Of course, this is bullshit. The UFC is completely capable of disclosing that information. The UFC simply will not disclose if a fighter requests a TUE. Which is strange, given that Dana White seems to be such a fan of the practice. If TRT is “great,” “absolutely fair,” and “legal,” why bother with the secrecy? It appears to be a tacit admission that the process is, at best, ethically dubious. Which it is – it allows a select group of fighters who possess naturally lower levels of testosterone, possibly resulting from prior steroid use, to use synthetic testosterone during their training camps and daily lives so long as they bring their testosterone levels within normal limits by the time of their fights. Functionally, it’s the same thing as a steroid cycle.

    The only positive about TRT is that it’s public. But for UFC 152, thanks to the incompetency of the Ontario Athletic Commission and the UFC’s suspect disclosure policies, it won’t be. You would think that if you had an aging fighter who has bulked up almost twenty pounds from his previous bout – while training with, among others, Alistair Overeem – and is fighting in the main event, you’d want to alleviate any suspicions among observers. But this is the UFC we’re talking about. They don’t handle suspicion; they dismiss it and anyone who bothers to express it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sambosteve View Post
    Playing devil's advocate for sake of debate:

    Statistically, use of performance enhancing drugs in MMA has not equated with increasing one's chances of winning (based on those who have been busted). What many of these guys & gals are trying to do is prolong their careers and speed recovery because of the abuse their bodies take. So, why should we care if they want to **** up their own bodies? If they don't have a better chance of winning, is the palying field really uneven?

    Having said that, I am all for WADA regs in MMA and anti-doping policies. But, mainly for health & safety reasons. But, I am not going to use the "even playing field" argument. In fact, many of these folks are actually trying to even the playing field because they are really too old and battered to be fighting or coming to the end of their careers and can't keep up with the younger, newer fighters.
    I think it's not bad to keep people informed about the issue - that's why I started this thread. After all, we're Bullshido. Fake blackbelts might be mostly gone, fake personal trainers lying to people on weight loss possibilities and muscle gain are not. Like, last year I took the same supplement for which Mo Lawal was busted. Nothing on the box indicated it was indeed a steroid. Scary.



    Now, my personal opinion on PEDs is simply this:

    While I don't specifically care for its impact on the sport (as Steve said, it's not as big as in other sports), I deeply resent the byproducts of PED use in sports: That the ideal of what is a "perfect", and strong body is so far removed from man's natural potential that even leisure time athletes are driven to all sorts of shady supplements. With the tolerance concerning PEDs, I think we're raising a generation of hobby sportsmen that buys the sixpack of now with the kidney failure in twenty years. That's something where people need to be facilitated access to better information, and where athletes need to be held to bigger scrutiny.

    Now, I am aware that this may sound incredibly pretentious, but I am really just an utterly unambitious hobby athlete who wants to have fun and stay healthy. A sports culture where a good half of my gym mates roids or takes other kinds of equally dangerous performance enhancers I find simply sad.
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