What I hate about Bujinkan

[Colin]

It appears that people that are teaching are taking concepts as literal. Seriously who in their right mind would expect you to be able to fight from a concept.

So, you should teach one thing and practise another? or rather, you are supposed to fill in the blanks and use your imagination when you actually fight for real?

If you are practising dead patterns, that's all you'll ever be able to do. If the curriculum isn't directly relevant to combat, it's a waste of fucking time. (if getting better at fighting is your goal)

"We do not rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training"

Once you understand this in context of the Buj, you will realise how arrogant and misguided you sound to us.

[OldShintaro]

But any MA that has along form like kata could be thought of the same.

[OldShintaro]

Gezere,
Cheers mate. Australia must have been different. What can I say? But you are right.
When I think about it, my throws were most likely effective due to the Judo I had done. And the fighting due to Kyokushin Karate.
You know, I really do believe you about trying to change Bujinkan. I personally don't think that I could change the whole, but at least try to get the guy where I train to change, even a bit. He already knows that the long stuff is BS, but he doesn't do the throws and other stuff, I think due to scare of litigation. I like training with him because I hit him hard and he returns the favour.

So I now realise that Bujinkan learnt in isolation is pointless. Which is why people say what they say.

Theory:

So I wonder, *if* some of the scrolls are real, then without the knowledge of other disciplines ALL techniques will be ineffective. So I would further theorise that what is taught in Bujinkan is like an "add-on" to an existing MA base.
Maybe that is why I found it affective?

So given that, I wouldn't recommend that anybody do Bujinkan without at least 3 years of something like Karate and judo. Could be any combination of fighting style and grappling style.

[Colin]

Cheers mate. Australia must have been different.

Nope. I live in Australia, and the Buj here is just as **** as it is everywhere else. You can't polish a turd.

So I now realise that Bujinkan... is pointless.

Fixed that for you.
Even Aikidoka are better prepared for combat than Taijutsuka, imo. And that's saying a lot.

[OldShintaro]

Colin,
Did you ever venture to the main land in the early 90's to look at Bujinkan?

[Colin]

Since it must be so different to the Buj in Tasmania?
I'm not buying it.

The techniques are the techniques are the techniques.
Besides, in the Early 90's BBT schools were mostly ex RBWI schools anyway.

The same ninja fantasy by a different name.

[OldShintaro]

I don't know about Tassie. Never been there.
I am talking about Melbourne. If you didn't then you simply do not know.

[It is Fake]

Did you actually try and say 90's booj was different? Holy crap, that's a first for me. Wow, the world changes. I have NEVER heard anyone try to say anything above the 70's is "the real." I mean anything 80's + isn't old enough in the Martial Arts World I know.


I apologize if you meant 1890's.

[Colin]

We have the r34l

Ironically, Bussey's fantasy bullshit is actually more useful than Hatsumi's.
You wouldn't be the first person to claim that [insert useless art here] when trained at [insert random location here] is actually good.

The onus is on you to provide evidence that Buj is effective, not on anyone else to disprove it.

[OldShintaro]

It is Fake,

As per post #43, Bujinkan is not worth knowing.

But you do raise a interesting point, even though your taking the "piss out of me".

I wonder what is was like back in the 1890's? I guess we will never know.