share your basic 12 strikes

[Hanniballistic]

I still use the old Inosanto system, although obviously I will adjust to whoever I train with out of (a) respect and (b) a desire not to get my head caved in by hearing "angle 8" and blocking the wrong line.....

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My question is do any of you change your angles in terms of the weapon you wield in the drill? The 11 I listed at the top were done with a stick or long blade. For a knife I find that the two modifications work better (atleast for me.)[/SIZE][/FONT]

We do the low knee shots with the stick as attacks to the ribs when practicing daga.

[drizzt777]

Angles, no. Targets, yes.

My inclination is that if you have to change your angles when you change weapons, then the angles are too specific. Then again, I suppose that comes down to the purpose of angles in your system.

I re-read this today and realize I put "angles" where I meant target. Thank you for catching that for me. I honestly meant that. I wrote this out at work and it was a long day yesterday. Yes, I was wondering about the change of targets due to weapon as I had mentioned it in regards to the knife vs stick. Obviously you would want to achieve maximum efficiency with whatever weapon you are wielding.

[realjanuary]

My question is do any of you change your angles in terms of the weapon you wield in the drill? The 11 I listed at the top were done with a stick or long blade. For a knife I find that the two modifications work better (atleast for me.)[/SIZE][/FONT]

It depends how you use the 12. If is just a way of mapping all the angles like the clock face, star, or some other univsal pattern, go for it.
However, some patterns have other priorities, as listed earlier in the thread. If that's the case, than it might be more appropriate to use a different pattern/map/basic 12/abecadario/template/targeting chain for the weapon. There's a balance between spending too much time learning different 12s (becoming a stamp collector) and religiously sticking with one pattern (square-peg-in-round-hole thinking).
There are advantages to both approach.

[KendalGuro]

Traditional Presas Style Arnis
1 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ left temple (head)
2 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ right temple
3 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ left shoulder
4 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ right shoulder
5 - Palm up thrust to opponents’ stomach
6 - Right hand thrust to opponents’ left chest
7 - Right hand thrust to opponents’ right chest
8 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ right knee
9 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ left knee
10 - Right hand thrust to opponents’ left eye
11 - Right hand thrust to opponents’ right eye
12 - Vertical Strike down to opponents’ head

[jspeedy]

Very similiar to the Balintawak "full power" 12 strikes except the 3 & 4 strikes in Balintawak are to the ribs/elbow area.

This thread has really payed off. Who knew there were so many FMA guys willing to share here. We have to keep this forum busy, maybe some day we can convince Phrost to give us our own forum and quit lumping us in with Kajukenbo and kempo.

Anyone else notice kempo, kajukenbo, and kali forum = kkk forum? Probly just a coincidence right? Or maybe phrost is one of those nazi zombies?

[Diesel_tke]

This thread has really payed off. Who knew there were so many FMA guys willing to share here. We have to keep this forum busy, maybe some day we can convince Phrost to give us our own forum and quit lumping us in with Kajukenbo and kempo.

Yeah, and we have a lot of instructors, competitors, and a full dog brother on this forum! A wealth of knowledge!

[Chili Pepper]

Very similiar to the Balintawak "full power" 12 strikes except the 3 & 4 strikes in Balintawak are to the ribs/elbow area.

When I did Modern Arnis, 3 and 4 were as you mentioned (but then again Remy Presas learned Balintawak, so hardly surprising).

Kendalguro - a little more clarification about Traditional Presas Style Arnis? Is this different from Modern Arnis? Kombatan? Or are we talking about a different Presas?

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I did a seminar over the weekend on the Queen Mary, with several notable FMA masters (Marc Lawrence, Leo Fong, Stephen Dowd, Felix Roiles, GM Babao, Bradford Namahoe and Darren Tibon). I was exposed to quite a few styles (balite, serrada etc), but for the most part, they were using a simple 5 angle system. Wasn't sure if they were all the same, or if they were just doing that to illustrate concepts in a way that was relatable. Generally, they were doing
1. high forehand
2. high backhand
3. mid forehand
4. mid backhand
5. sok sok/thrust

The Bahala Na folks were doing a similar one, but it went
1. high forehand
2. low backhand
3. low forehand (low to high)
4. high backhand
5. thrust

I liked the flow of this pattern, even though my own training was making me want to do high backhand for 3 and chop straight down for 5.

[Diesel_tke]

Man! I want to live somewhere where cool stuff happens!