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     Style: FMA, dumbek, Indian clubs

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    In the arnis system I do, the basic 12 are:
    1- diagonal forehand to left temple
    2- diagonal backhand to knee
    3- diagonal backhand to right temple
    4- diagonal forehand to knee
    5- vertical downward to crown
    6- sok sok/thrust to torso

    the first 6 are the primary strikes, but there's also
    7- horizontal backhand across throat
    8- dragging forehand diagonal downward across torso
    9- backhand to knee
    10- horizontal forehand across throat
    11- backhand vertical whip
    12- backhand thrust

    in eskrido, they are
    1- vertical downward to crown
    2- diagonal down backhand to right side of head
    3- diagonal down forehand to left side of head
    4- diagonal upward backhand to right ribs
    5-diagonal upward forehand to left ribs
    6- horizontal backhand to right stomach
    7- horizontal forehand to left stomach
    8- diagonal downward backhand to knee
    9- diagonal downward forehand to knee
    10- backhand thrust to collarbone
    11- forehand thrust to collarbone
    12- straight thrust to stomach

    The 2 systems also have different footwork. For example, in basic eskrido drills the lead leg is switched on almost every strike from forehand to backhand.
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    Here this should freak everyone out. Because we use 9 primary strikes. The angles are basically a big asterisk( * ).

    1. migi kesa - slash
    2. hidari kesa - back hand slash
    3. migi yoko – horizontal
    4. hidari yoko – back hand horizontal
    5. migi gyaku kesa – upper cut
    6. hidari gyaku kesa – back hand upper cut
    7. hane age – rising slash
    8. shomen – vertical slash
    9. tsuki – thrust or ripping
    Then the dog brother's power strikes are used a lot, with the Lameco 3 and 5 footwork with strikes. But all on the same angles.
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     Style: FMA

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    I practice a little Pekiti Tirsia.

    The twelve strikes are as follows.
    1. Horizontal slash, right to left, through the ear.
    2. Horizontal slash, left to right, through the ear.
    3. Horizontal slash, right to left, through the elbow or floating rib.
    4. Horizontal slash, left to right, through the elbow or floating rib.
    5. Rising thrust, vertical/diagonal (starting at your right hip, finishing at your left shoulder) striking the peridium.
    6. Backhand diagonal slash, left to right, shoulder to toe.
    7. Forehand, descending, diagonal slash to knee, (panastas).
    8. Backhand, rising thrust to solar plexus, (sunkete).
    9. Forehand, diagonal, descending thrust to neck. Weapon finishes at left hip.
    10. Windshield wiper clearing to right. Double force descending slash to crown of head. Finish in squatting position.
    11. Double handed, thrusting strike to forehead, left foot in front.
    12. Body wave forward after #11 strike. On return, thrust to face with right, left empty hand to groin.

    Striking should be timed with footwork and increasing speed of execution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post
    Here this should freak everyone out. Because we use 9 primary strikes. The angles are basically a big asterisk( * ).
    That's actually an angle system that makes the most sense to me. That's how the angles of attack are in Western fencing too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    That's actually an angle system that makes the most sense to me. That's how the angles of attack are in Western fencing too.
    I like it because it is simple.
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     Style: Sticks & Jits & Fritz

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    Here's a few different ones from some old notes I saved. Includes a different Doce Pares system to the one I posted earlier.

    I have some others noted somewhere but not in an easy to copy paste format.


    Cinco Teros – Five Counts

    Angle 1- 45 degree strike to the upper region

    Angle 2- Left side 45 degree strike to upper region

    Angle 3- Right side 90 degree strike to mid region

    Angle 4- Left side 90 degree strike to mid region

    Angle 5- straight thrust to mid section

    (dari berbagai sumber)




    Modern Arnis Basic 12 Angles

    1. Forehand Diagonal to collarbone

    2. Backhand Diagonal to collarbone

    3. Forehand Horizontal to to ribs or elbow

    4. Backhand Horizontal to ribs or elbow

    5. Thrust to stomach

    6. Palm up Thrust to chest

    7. Palm down thrust to chest

    8. Downward strike to top of head

    9. Upward diagonal from right to left

    10. Upward diagonal from left to right

    11. Downward strike to top of head

    12. Upward Thrust to throat




    Doce Pares Eskrima

    1. Diagonal forehand strike to left shoulder

    2. Diagonal backhand strike to right shoulder

    3. Horizontal forehand strike to left ribs

    4. Horizontal backhand strike to right ribs

    5. Palm down thrust to stomach

    6. Palm up thrust to stomach

    7. Diagonal forehand strike to left knee

    8. Diagonal backhand strike to right knee

    9. Palm down thrust to chest

    10. Palm up thrust to chest

    11. Downward strike to top of head

    12. Backhand strike (Witik) to temple





    Pekiti-Tirsia Kali Basic 12 Angles

    1. Forehand Horizontal to ear

    2. Backhand Horizontal to ear

    3. Forehand Horizontal to ribs or elbow

    4. Backhand Horizontal to ribs or elbow

    5. Low line thrust to the groin or prostate gland

    6. Backhand Diagonal cavical to opposite foot

    7. Forehand Horizontal to knee

    8. Backhand thrust to solar plexus

    9. Forehand thrust to heart

    10. Two handed downward slash from top of head to either foot

    11. Two-handed grip thrust driving 45 degrees downward into the bridge of the nose

    12. Single hand thrust driving 45 degrees into the bridge of nose with simultaneous palm strike to groin with live hand.




    San Miguel Eskrima Momoy Canete

    1. Diagonal forehand slash to neck or collarbone

    2. Diagonal backhand slash to neck or collarbone

    3. Horizontal forehand slash to waist, hip, or elbow

    4. Horizontal backhand slash to waist, hip or elbow

    5. Thrust to lower right quadrant – palm down

    6. Thrust to lower left quadrant – palm up

    7. Upward forehand diagonal slash to knee or hip

    8. Upward backhand diagonal slash to knee or hip

    9. Thrust to upper right quadrant – palm down

    10. Thrust to upper left quadrant – palm up

    11. Vertical slash downward to crown of head

    12. High palm-down thrust to temple or eye



    Illustrisimo Numbering System

    1. Downward diagonal from right to left

    2. Horizontal from left to right

    3. Horizontal from right to left

    4. Downward diagonal from left to right

    5. Stab to midsection thumb up

    6. Upward diagonal from left to right

    7. Upward diagonal from right to left

    8. Stab to shoulder/neck thumb up

    9. Stab to shoulder/neck thumb down

    10. Vertical downward strike through top of skull

    11. Low downward diagonal from right to left

    12. Low downward diagonal from left to right



    Lameco Escrima

    1. left ear (forehand)

    2. right knee (back hand)

    3. left knee (fh)

    4. right ear (bh)

    5. thrust to stomach (forhand palm down)

    6. right elbow (bh)

    7. left elbow (fh)

    8. thrust solar plexus (bh palm up)

    9. right collar bone (bh)

    10. thrust heart (fh palm down)

    11. left collar bone (fh)

    12. crown of head (fh)



    WEDO Ocho Teros – Eight Count

    1. Forehand Diagonal to collarbone

    2. Backhand Diagonal to collarbone

    3. Upward diagonal from right to left

    4. Upward diagonal from left to right

    5. Thrust to stomach

    6. Palm up Thrust to chest

    7. Palm down thrust to chest

    8. Downward strike to top of head
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     Style: FMA

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    Quote Originally Posted by wikidbounce View Post
    Here's a few different ones from some old notes I saved. Includes a different Doce Pares system to the one I posted earlier.

    I have some others noted somewhere but not in an easy to copy paste format.


    Cinco Teros – Five Counts

    Angle 1- 45 degree strike to the upper region

    Angle 2- Left side 45 degree strike to upper region

    Angle 3- Right side 90 degree strike to mid region

    Angle 4- Left side 90 degree strike to mid region

    Angle 5- straight thrust to mid section

    (dari berbagai sumber)




    Modern Arnis Basic 12 Angles

    1. Forehand Diagonal to collarbone

    2. Backhand Diagonal to collarbone

    3. Forehand Horizontal to to ribs or elbow

    4. Backhand Horizontal to ribs or elbow

    5. Thrust to stomach

    6. Palm up Thrust to chest

    7. Palm down thrust to chest

    8. Downward strike to top of head

    9. Upward diagonal from right to left

    10. Upward diagonal from left to right

    11. Downward strike to top of head

    12. Upward Thrust to throat




    Doce Pares Eskrima

    1. Diagonal forehand strike to left shoulder

    2. Diagonal backhand strike to right shoulder

    3. Horizontal forehand strike to left ribs

    4. Horizontal backhand strike to right ribs

    5. Palm down thrust to stomach

    6. Palm up thrust to stomach

    7. Diagonal forehand strike to left knee

    8. Diagonal backhand strike to right knee

    9. Palm down thrust to chest

    10. Palm up thrust to chest

    11. Downward strike to top of head

    12. Backhand strike (Witik) to temple





    Pekiti-Tirsia Kali Basic 12 Angles

    1. Forehand Horizontal to ear

    2. Backhand Horizontal to ear

    3. Forehand Horizontal to ribs or elbow

    4. Backhand Horizontal to ribs or elbow

    5. Low line thrust to the groin or prostate gland

    6. Backhand Diagonal cavical to opposite foot

    7. Forehand Horizontal to knee

    8. Backhand thrust to solar plexus

    9. Forehand thrust to heart

    10. Two handed downward slash from top of head to either foot

    11. Two-handed grip thrust driving 45 degrees downward into the bridge of the nose

    12. Single hand thrust driving 45 degrees into the bridge of nose with simultaneous palm strike to groin with live hand.




    San Miguel Eskrima Momoy Canete

    1. Diagonal forehand slash to neck or collarbone

    2. Diagonal backhand slash to neck or collarbone

    3. Horizontal forehand slash to waist, hip, or elbow

    4. Horizontal backhand slash to waist, hip or elbow

    5. Thrust to lower right quadrant – palm down

    6. Thrust to lower left quadrant – palm up

    7. Upward forehand diagonal slash to knee or hip

    8. Upward backhand diagonal slash to knee or hip

    9. Thrust to upper right quadrant – palm down

    10. Thrust to upper left quadrant – palm up

    11. Vertical slash downward to crown of head

    12. High palm-down thrust to temple or eye



    Illustrisimo Numbering System

    1. Downward diagonal from right to left

    2. Horizontal from left to right

    3. Horizontal from right to left

    4. Downward diagonal from left to right

    5. Stab to midsection thumb up

    6. Upward diagonal from left to right

    7. Upward diagonal from right to left

    8. Stab to shoulder/neck thumb up

    9. Stab to shoulder/neck thumb down

    10. Vertical downward strike through top of skull

    11. Low downward diagonal from right to left

    12. Low downward diagonal from left to right



    Lameco Escrima

    1. left ear (forehand)

    2. right knee (back hand)

    3. left knee (fh)

    4. right ear (bh)

    5. thrust to stomach (forhand palm down)

    6. right elbow (bh)

    7. left elbow (fh)

    8. thrust solar plexus (bh palm up)

    9. right collar bone (bh)

    10. thrust heart (fh palm down)

    11. left collar bone (fh)

    12. crown of head (fh)



    WEDO Ocho Teros – Eight Count

    1. Forehand Diagonal to collarbone

    2. Backhand Diagonal to collarbone

    3. Upward diagonal from right to left

    4. Upward diagonal from left to right

    5. Thrust to stomach

    6. Palm up Thrust to chest

    7. Palm down thrust to chest

    8. Downward strike to top of head
    Have you trained all these styles? Or are you just handy with the google search?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jspeedy View Post
    Have you trained all these styles? Or are you just handy with the google search?
    Not from experience, I have a habit of starting projects which lose their way and stay unfinished.

    When I first started coming across different systems of angles I tried putting them into spreadsheets so I could compare them side by side. I think my intent was to compare similar angles against footwork theories, blocks, counters etc..

    It didn’t take me long to realise the scope of this project was beyond what one person could achieve on google when it gets quiet at work. It’s not much more than a list with a few extras now.

    I kept my notes but they are very old and some parts may need correcting.

    My own FMA training started with a Inosanto style JKD group. I really liked the system but I preferred the training and atmosphere at the Doce Pares club I ended up with.

    The past few years the closest I’ve been to FMA training is stick sparring once with my BJJ instructor (his style was Battlefield Kali) it was fun using the padded sticks but I definitely prefer rattan for the feel.

    I was set to start with a Kalaki Arkanis group (spelling?) this year but I ended up doing a Foil Fencing intro course instead. So much fun, got my ass kicked in the begginers tournament but got a Bronze medal as a souvenier. Recommend it as a real eye opener on the art of thrusts.

    I’ll probably have a whole new set of angles to Learn when I do get back to FMA with the new group.
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     Style: Aikido, bits of jits

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    I think this comes from Khrishna Godhania / Warriors escrima:

    1: falling forehand diagional to collarbone
    2: falling backhand diagional to knee
    3: horizontal forehand to hip or elbow
    4: falling backhand diagional to collarbone
    5: rising curving thrust from forehand side to belly
    6: rising cut from backhand side to hip or elbow
    7: rising cut from forehand side to hip or elbow (bolo)
    8: palm up straight thrust from backhand side to throat
    9: palm down curving thrust from forehand side to side of chest
    10: palm up curving thrust from backhand side to side of chest
    11: curving palm down gouge from forehand side to eye
    12: curving palm up gouge from backhand side to eye

    Some people have mentioned the rationale behind their ennumberada (simplicity for the clock and asterix, most to least useful for Chili's 11, etc.).

    Some other ideas for the order of the basic 12:
    *smooth transition between each strike so they can be practised in a set and teach a little about combining strikes
    *unexpected transitions to add an element of surprise (e.g. 1 is a high falling diagonal from forehand, opponent expects 2 to be a high falling diagonal from backhand, switch to low line instead)
    *being different for the sake of being different to some other group
    Last edited by realjanuary; 5/30/2012 8:46am at . Reason: formatting
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     Style: Siling Labuyo Arnis

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    Here's one I was shown many years ago, can't remember where it's from though:

    #1 - downward forehand diagonal
    #2 - upward backhand diagonal
    #3 - upward forehand diagonal
    #4 - downward backhand diagonal
    #5 - straight thrust
    #6 - backhand level
    #7 - forehand level
    #8 - ripping hook from rear hip to lead shoulder

    The last one is the interesting one, apparently based in the local preference for a blade with a proper false edge.
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