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    De Ashi Harai nogi

    Recently Josh Thompson used a variation of this move against Gilbert Melendez to great success. I also know that Lyoto Machida does a variation of it as well.

    I figured this would fit perfectly into my clinch game as I've been incorporating knee tap variations.

    I wanted to see if my more judo inclined brothers would like to input suggests for combos, drills I could use, or general advice for how I could achieve the off-balancing needed.


    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O103PL_hPo...hM/s1600/5.gif

    Here's a gif of the fight.


    Deliverables:

    1) How to achieve nogi kuzushi
    2) What could I combo this with
    3) Any additional advice

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    For starters its a Ko soto gake, not a De ashi barai.

    See 2:09



    Lyoto Machida's is more akin to an Sukui nage.

    The key point in the Melendez case is making yourself the vertical to your opponents horizontal when in a moving situation.

    1) How to achieve nogi kuzushi
    Head Control and positioning become more important than the gi version.

    2) What could I combo this with
    An awful lot of things, what are you good at?

    3) Any additional advice
    Read this and then apply the gake/ uprooting principle instead of the gari/reaping principle

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=107892&page=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    For starters its a Ko soto gake, not a De ashi barai.



    Lyoto Machida's is more akin to an Sukui nage.

    The key point in the Melendez case is making yourself the vertical to your opponents horizontal when in a moving situation.

    1) How to achieve nogi kuzushi
    Head Control and positioning become more important than the gi version.

    2) What could I combo this with
    An awful lot of things, what are you good at?

    3) Any additional advice
    Read this and then apply the gake/ uprooting principle instead of the gari/reaping principle

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=107892&page=1
    On the name- Whatever...

    1) Eh nevermind I see that the idea is addressed in your thread.

    2) Knee tap, double leg, lat drop, lat drop foot sweep combo, fireman's carry.

    3) Will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    For starters its a Ko soto gake, not a De ashi barai.

    See 2:09



    Lyoto Machida's is more akin to an Sukui nage.

    The key point in the Melendez case is making yourself the vertical to your opponents horizontal when in a moving situation.

    1) How to achieve nogi kuzushi
    Head Control and positioning become more important than the gi version.

    2) What could I combo this with
    An awful lot of things, what are you good at?

    3) Any additional advice
    Read this and then apply the gake/ uprooting principle instead of the gari/reaping principle

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=107892&page=1
    Oh good, I didn't have to say anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    For starters its a Ko soto gake, not a De ashi barai.

    See 2:09



    Lyoto Machida's is more akin to an Sukui nage.

    The key point in the Melendez case is making yourself the vertical to your opponents horizontal when in a moving situation.

    1) How to achieve nogi kuzushi
    Head Control and positioning become more important than the gi version.

    2) What could I combo this with
    An awful lot of things, what are you good at?

    3) Any additional advice
    Read this and then apply the gake/ uprooting principle instead of the gari/reaping principle

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=107892&page=1
    Great advice and this is a fantastic video, should be a referral to show "proper judo" around... magnificent technique explanation, textbook countering, and judogodlike finesse like in the 6:55 sen-no-sen stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Oh good, I didn't have to say anything.
    Good then make a video please, I'm a visual learner. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Koresh Jr. View Post
    On the name- Whatever...
    Different method of attacking - ashi barai is a sweeping of the foot as weight is transfered onto or off of the foot.

    Gake is an uprooting of the foot when it is planted.

    So the difference does matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Koresh Jr. View Post
    1) Eh nevermind I see that the idea is addressed in your thread.
    Jolly good. If you watch the gifs you'll see that the successful attempts Thompson gets an excellent, for an MMA situation, control of Melendez's head with his left hand.







    Quote Originally Posted by David Koresh Jr. View Post
    2) Knee tap, double leg, lat drop, lat drop foot sweep combo, fireman's carry.
    Not a wrestler and leg grabs aren't really my thing, but the knee tap would seem to me to be the ideal pair in a no gi environment.

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