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    Not young or naive, just curious if we have an idiotic system or idiotic judges.
    Neither, we have really smart lawyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike321 View Post
    Not young or naive, just curious if we have an idiotic system or idiotic judges.
    What do you think the odds are that every judge out there is an idiot? What do you think the odds are that every aspect of the U.S.A. legal system is free of idiocy, or any other legal system for that matter?

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    I know very little about legal procedure. just what I learned on jury duty. They sent us out of the courtroom plenty of times. Do judges have a mechanism to block outrageous defense claims? Just curious.
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    Mike, the judge does have latitude in most things to tell the defense (or the prosecution) to knock their **** off. However, in this specific case, the bad guy placed a foreign substance on his mouth that could potentially affect the outcome of the test. It's the same thing in science experiments. All the conditions must be right. Now, do I feel that it is underhanded and shitty? Absolutely. It is a bastardization of the American justice system, in general.

    Juries are instructed to take the entire case and base their decision on the term "beyond a reasonable doubt." In the totality of everything, we had a strong case. We were able to place asshole behind the wheel at the time of the crash. We were able to show that he was impaired. We even had circumstantial evidence. However, the lawyer was able to hammer home the invalidation of the breath test and exclude it. The jury just never saw the other things and simply focused on that test.
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    Thanks for the explanation. I was on a deadlocked jury but it was mostly due to a foreman who was an executive at his work. His style was very quick and authoritative and some jurors rebelled at the end of deliberation. They felt they just hadn't an opportunity to discuss the case with the other jurors.
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    Thanks for the explanation. I was on a deadlocked jury but it was mostly due to a foreman who was an executive at his work. His style was very quick and authoritative and some jurors rebelled at the end of deliberation. They felt they just hadn't an opportunity to discuss the case with the other jurors.
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    Thanks for the explanation. I was on a deadlocked jury but it was mostly due to a foreman who was an executive at his work. His style was very quick and authoritative and some jurors rebelled at the end of deliberation. They felt they just hadn't an opportunity to discuss the case with the other jurors.
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    Thanks for the explanation. I was on a deadlocked jury but it was mostly due to a foreman who was an executive at his work. His style was very quick and authoritative and some jurors rebelled at the end of deliberation. They felt they just hadn't an opportunity to discuss the case with the other jurors.
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    Ouch! Thanks for the explanation.
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