View Poll Results: Your Eurogeddon prediction
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Greece will leave the Euro by 2013/14
The Euro will survive and Greece will stay
There will be a split into a Northern Euro and Southern Euro
The Euro will collapse totally
I want my country to leave the Euro
I want my country to join the Euro
I want my country to leave the Euro and the EU
I want my country to join the Euro and the EU
Germany is the problem, it should leave the Euro
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6/20/2012 5:38am, #81
6/20/2012 6:15am, #82
You know, there is is famous story about a whole Spanish armada sinking itself in despair and terror after seeing the face of one Englishwoman...
6/20/2012 11:30am, #83
- Join Date
- Dec 2005
- united kingdom
Though I must agree Spanish woman are generally of better quality than English they don't speak like chavs and drink themselves into a coma for a start.
6/22/2012 5:58am, #84
10/11/2012 6:03am, #85
- Join Date
- Oct 2006
There were two problems with the Euro:
- 1 Countries weren't willing to have their books checked by a supranational body, because it would limit their sovereignty.
- 2 Countries were admitted (the southern ones, including France) that had economies unsuited for a hard currency.
They, led by France, cheated like mad to get in. I still remember that Spain, Italy and Greece were way over the 3% norm, and in two years 'tadaaaaaah' it was all in order. And everybody congratulated each other and went happily along, fairytale lalala
I have had it with the Greeks, they cannot be saved from themselves, unless you shoot 98% of their politicians. Always postponing reforms; and IF the reforms are passed through parliament, they stranded in the execution.
Have the Greeks already a cadastre? And how about the tax reforms - I know that Dutch advisors left disheartened and disillusioned after trying to help restructuring it (and seeing to it that taxes were actually collected).
And as regards some Brits here: Britain needs to be in the EU, how about your influence on the Continent, you can't have the Germans and the French rule it. You've blundered before in diplomacy and called it 'splendid isolation' , look at what it got you. Keep on dreaming that you're on an island, safe and secure. The economic ties with Europe are too strong to ignore the fact that if it all falls apart on the continent, the UK won't be affected.
oh and as regards this:
On a side note: itt is ridiculous to put such a complex treaty to a vote of simple 'yes/no' when even a lot of academically schooled voters haven't even skimmed over the summary of the damn thing.
I do agree that there is a major democratic gap between the European Parliament and Union, and the average voter. And that gap will never be closed as long as the national leaders of its member states keep playing the nationalist 'independence / sovereignty' card. (which they of course play as a federacy would largely deprive them of their power). Since the national leaders pull the strings in the EU, the current situation of 'limping on two different tracks at the same time' will continue.
10/11/2012 11:02am, #86
10/11/2012 5:41pm, #87
And who whilst demanding massive austerity for all Eurozone member countries, votes through a huge increase in it's own budget to be paid for by those member countries undertaking austerity?
The EU technocratic elites lied to everyone that you could have monetary union without fiscal union. Now they've been caught out and are trying to force through fiscal union without the consent of the people they're imposing it upon.
Besides what do we care if the French and the Germans preside over an increasingly irrelevant, sclerotic, overly-bureaucratic, uncompetitive and impoverished customs union.
If they want to be King and Queen of the dung hill, well, they're welcome to it.
Also you will note that the phrase was coined in 1896.
Take a run of history from 1896 to 2012 and tell me which suffered worst? Europe or Britain?
Which had it's cities and factories flattened, it's population butchered and half of it fall under the yoke of Soviet tyranny?
Also we never rounded up our Jewish population to deport to Polish death camps unlike some Northern European countries...
Oh and that whole 'Island' thing worked out pretty well in 1914 and 1945...
And even whilst trapped inside the stifling customs union we still manage to export more than 50% of our goods outside of the EU.
Imagine what we could achieve if freed of the working time directive, trade negotiation restrictions of the customs union and the myriad of bonkers pieces of regulation that spew forth from Brussels like a great geyser on an hourly basis.
The growth and the future lies not in the sclerotic dying welfare states of Europe but in the thriving, thrusting nations of Asia and South America. Europe is a drain on prosperity not a source of it.
It's disgusting that when the people vote Europhiles will grub out any meagre excuse as to why they can ignore the will of the people and carry on regardless with their own maniacal project.
If people vote NO it means NO. It doesn't mean you can take it as a YES, just because you think you know what's best for the poor benighted plebs.
Every time the people vote against the EU it's dismissed as 'populism' or as the malevolent effects of 'nationalists' whipping up public sentiment.
If you believe the average voter is so stupid, so easily mislead and should be ignored.
Why not do away with democracy all together and admit what the project is really about - aggregating power to a tiny, unaccountable, democracy hating, technocratic elite.
10/15/2012 2:21pm, #88
- Join Date
- Oct 2006
It is still debated whether a fiscal union is needed or not. Methinks checking the account books of governments that are having the same currency is mandatory.
I have to admit to having a burning hatred for nation states; for the past hundred years the idiotic belief that a nation ought to have a state, and every state have one nation, has caused millions of dead in genocides, deportations, oh and wars.
You werenít occupied, easy talking. Try hiding in a densily populated polder.
Pray ask the Latvians, Lithuanians, Polish, Belarussians, Hungarians and Ukrainians about their enthusiasm for exterminating their Jewish fellow countrymen.
hereís some more:
Oh and that statement is funny considering that British export to non EU-countries, whilst growing from 1996 to 2011 (data courtesy of HM Revenue & Customs) is still lagging behind what is being dispatched to the EU, non EU import however, is growing strongly >:D The catching up is partially caused due to the Euro crisis, so you guys sell less because of it.
Keep out Bulgaria and Romania until they have dealt with their corruption and shot all their leaders, and everything will be fine.
10/15/2012 3:21pm, #89
The Court concludes that overall the supervisory and control systems are partially effective in ensuring the legality and regularity of payments underlying the accounts. The policy groups Agriculture and Natural Resources and Cohesion, Energy and Transport are materially affected by error. The Courtís estimate for the most likely error rate for payments underlying the accounts is 3.7 %.
ďIn the Courtís opinion, because of the significance of the matters described [above] on the legality and regularity of payments underlying the accounts paragraph, the payments underlying the accounts for the year ended 31 December 2010 are materially affected by error
I think the kids call that a #EpicFail
Indeed, hilariously, the efforts of the EU to break down the individual demos into an amorphous mass has only resulted in strengthening the individual demos of the nation states.
There is no European demos, there never will be a European demos. There is no European democracy and there never will be.
A good start would be to tell them to stop the backing the FTT pensioner's tax, which is specifically aimed at destroying our financial services industry.
As I said increasingly irrelevant, sclerotic, overly-bureaucratic, uncompetitive and impoverished customs union.
The growth is outside of Europe not within it.
If they stopped importing from us they'd stop importing from the rest of the world too.
Are you guys going to ask Brazil and India for a bailout on the grounds they'd lose out on exports if you're economy went down the shitter?
Try telling the favela dwelling Mr. Silva or the slum dwelling Mr. Patel that he has to bail out fat, rich, home owning, two car driving, smart phone using, food and water wasting Western Europeans because they were too stupid to realise you can't have monetary union without fiscal union.
Independent research shows that UK exports are now 51% outside of the EU.
As the EU continues to tighten in it's economic death spiral the rest of the world is growing and we're exporting to the growing parts.
Where do you think that this logic of yours leads?
Forgive me if, we Brits and our American cousins, raise somewhat of a sceptical eye brow at this.
10/16/2012 12:13pm, #90
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