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  • Greece will leave the Euro by 2013/14

    22 40.74%
  • The Euro will survive and Greece will stay

    10 18.52%
  • There will be a split into a Northern Euro and Southern Euro

    3 5.56%
  • The Euro will collapse totally

    4 7.41%
  • I want my country to leave the Euro

    3 5.56%
  • I want my country to join the Euro

    0 0%
  • I want my country to leave the Euro and the EU

    6 11.11%
  • I want my country to join the Euro and the EU

    1 1.85%
  • Germany is the problem, it should leave the Euro

    4 7.41%
  • $$$$$ USA! USA! USA! $$$$$

    14 25.93%
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  1. Cullion is offline
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    Well if you're designing a test of general opinion you have to include opinions that aren't yours, but other people hold. I also put in a 'My country should join the Euro option', which you can probably guess I don't agree with and a joke US option. I think you need to be a little less precious.
    He's German. He's probably wondering why you didn't just put a single, correct, scientifically tested option. And then threaten to kill everybody who didn't click it.
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    Generally speaking I have been hated on the moment some chavs and even middle class people found out that I was German. Hitler/Nazi and all that stuff being thrown my way. Plus of course being harrassed in pubs in London when I met German colleagues and started speaking German. I have friends in Manchester in the "not so great" areas that I used to play games with (mainly Counter-Strike etc.), we were very international (people from all over Europe and the US) but when I got there in person, they had to make sure some of their "aquaintances" would not find out that I was German. So yeah, the WWII card is still being pulled - even when it comes to European topics. Our chancellor being depicted as Hitler etc.pp. I've worked for companies like Bigpoint where I had British bosses, we got along very well. And about football: I don't really follow that anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion View Post
    Do you genuinely believe that companies aren't likely to look at the tax burden when deciding where to trade a highly-mobile liquid asset ?
    That's an utterly absurd thing to believe.
    Oh, I am completely agreeing with you that this would mean a economic dump.
    The thing is, the longer the EU lets competing markets develop an infrastructure
    that makes switching to another country an attractive option, the harder that dump will be.

    It's like when Harvey Dent took the Gotham mob out:
    The big guys may be able to afford the switch, but the middle ones, they will have to stay.

    The issue with this crisis is, we should not look at how to solve it, any more.
    The damage is done. What we must look after know is, how this never repeats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion View Post
    Tell me, did you consistently vote for lower public spending, less generous pensions during this period?

    Most Greeks didn't.
    Me, personally, of course. I am the only member of the German liberal party that sleeps with women!

    But, of course, I know what you mean. Cutting spending never wins elections.
    Still, more get lost over a bad economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    The only person blaming the Germans is Ashkelon and he claims to be from BXL, which I take to be Brussels, which last time I checked is in Belgium.

    The Euro and the obsession with maintaining the EU is the reason Germans are being bashed. You're pretty much the only country in Europe with a good economy, you're pretty much the only one that is fiscally responsible, you're pretty much the only one with vaguely sensible labour laws, because of that you're successful and prosperous and the other countries hate that.
    Oh not just Germany bashing, all the big countries a bit. Yes I'm Belgian. I also blame the way too rapid expansion of the E.U. but anyway. Also the thing with the German economy, i don't think so. Germans are not more prosperous, they have better growth, but its economy has its own share of problems. I also firmly believe it has a lot to gain from the Euro as the DM would be rocketing high right now and export would slump.
    Then again, they have been suffering austerity since a couple of years and I can understand they don't feel like carrying it by themselves, I just don't think it's the solution.
    As Hiro Protagonist I believe said, we let the EU get out of hand without direct control of the citizens and this is what needs to be changed. The consititution was a step in that process and it got shot down because of politicians' arrogance
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    National Socialists vs. radical leftists and Communists? It's like Alien vs. Predator: whoever wins, we lose. I'm rooting for the sweet meteor of death. Any Greeks who can should be packing up and moving.

    I was down on the US for a while, but compared to the EU life is good here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Res Judicata View Post
    National Socialists vs. radical leftists and Communists? It's like Alien vs. Predator: whoever wins, we lose. I'm rooting for the sweet meteor of death. Any Greeks who can should be packing up and moving.

    I was down on the US for a while, but compared to the EU life is good here.
    Its probably difficult for American to comprehend how different the 'centre ground' of European politics is to the American centre ground. In mainland Europe the political centre is several miles to the left of Obama and even the most radical democrat. Your mainstream Republican would be consider a right wing extremist in most of continental Europe.

    Things seemed to have moved from Greece to Spain.

    Spain is haemorrhaging capital, its banks are on the verge of collapse and it has just had its credit rating massively down graded.

    Although, no doubt, Greece will be back in the spotlight come the elections on the 17th.

    The whole European project is collapsing around the European elites and they're adopting a former European empire builder - Nero's response, fiddling whilst everything around them burns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    Things seemed to have moved from Greece to Spain.
    It's not just in the EU:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-0...-rates/4059406

    And if China can't turn around its flagging economy our resources "boom" is going to have a really bad time, and this is pretty much the only thing keeping our economy in the black at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cualltaigh View Post
    It's not just in the EU:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-0...-rates/4059406

    And if China can't turn around its flagging economy our resources "boom" is going to have a really bad time, and this is pretty much the only thing keeping our economy in the black at the moment.
    The EU is partially to blame, China can't keep on growing exponentially if its export markets are tanking are can't afford to buy its goods.

    They'll probably cut rates again soon. However, they've got their own potential property bubble, which could rear its head soon.

    The other troubling issues is the xiaobailing or potential white collar graduates who are coming out of China's universities and are struggling to find jobs they deem appropriate to their educational level.

    This problem is mirrored across the world of course, especially in Europe. However, China's huge population and social repression could make it very problematic.
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