View Poll Results: Your Eurogeddon prediction
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Greece will leave the Euro by 2013/14
The Euro will survive and Greece will stay
There will be a split into a Northern Euro and Southern Euro
The Euro will collapse totally
I want my country to leave the Euro
I want my country to join the Euro
I want my country to leave the Euro and the EU
I want my country to join the Euro and the EU
Germany is the problem, it should leave the Euro
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11/01/2012 5:06am, #191
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- Apr 2005
11/01/2012 2:03pm, #192
The long haired guy in this clip is one of the 21 Golden Dawn members of greek parliament.
Eeuroskeptics are going to play the same cards conservatives played against bolchevism in the 1920's?
11/01/2012 6:53pm, #193
Luckily, however, you can be pro-Europe without being pro-EU.
Just look at what it's doing to Europe. The people's of Europe have not felt so much animosity and ill will towards each other as they do now and it is entirely the fault of federalist EU project.
The answer is not to enforce homogenisation from the top down on an unwilling and increasingly resentful population. It is to give the individual people of Europe back the control over their own lives and the self-respect that engenders.
If you really want good relations with our European neighbours you'd vote to tear down the EU, today.
It is not the Eurosceptics who are in the minority, it is the Europhiles. It's pretty much you, Nick Clegg, Ken Clark and 3 Greens.
The reason it's a blunder, though, is not because the voters want a more conciliatory position towards the EU and greater integrations. It's because now Labour opens itself up to relentless attacks on why it supports austerity and cut's abroad, but not at home.
Expect that to feature in coming PMQs, political programmes etc... And expect it to resonate with a public struggling with the cost of living.
To question the budget is to question the entire federalist project.
Ahh no wait, back to reality.
The EU is not a advantage in the global race it's a handicap. We CANNOT I repeat CANNOT negotiate trade deals with any other country whilst in the EU. We must negotiate as part of the wider EU.
Hence we have no free trade agreement with America. How can that be sensible? In 2012 we can't trade freely with America until the EU agrees it on our behalf.
Out of the EU we could unilaterally declare free trade with all the Brics or indeed all of the countries of the world and reap the tremendous benefits. Inside the EU we can't, we're shackled to a corpse. A sclerotic, protectionist, indebted customs union. That was just about relevant in the 1950s, but is now hopelessly out of date.
That's why it will fail.
11/01/2012 8:09pm, #194
It is to give the individual people of Europe back the control over their own lives and the self-respect that engenders.
11/15/2012 1:32pm, #195
Greek anti-austerity protesters hurl coffee at German diplomat as riots sweep across Europe
The protesters chanted 'Nazis out' and 'This will not pass' as they tried to obstruct municipal officials from attending a conference in the city of Thessaloniki
British air passengers grounded with dozens of flights cancelled
Around 800 flights to and from Portugal and Spain cancelled
Walkouts and violent protests across Spain, Greece, Portugal and Italy
Police in Madrid fire rubber bullets and Milan descends into violence
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11/16/2012 4:02pm, #196
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- Nov 2012
11/16/2012 6:28pm, #197
Then again it takes a special kind of Guardian reading moron to think that an external trade tariff, rules on shapes on bananas and the working time directive is all that is stopping Germans from jumping into their tanks, invading Poland and re-opening the gas chambers.
It is truly a uniquely warped and deluded mind that believes that were it not for regulations on inter governmental corporation tax the constituent nations of Europe would be tearing each other apart in an orgy of destruction.
Then again, reality has never been a friend of the Euroloons, they prefer to deal in rumour, scaremongering, deceit and corruption.
11/17/2012 11:11am, #198
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- Nov 2012
Errr the Bosanova & Kosova conflicts were to do with the melt down of Yugoslavia. To attempt to blame that on European pollicy is pretty desperate (well actually its really fucking insane).
Seriously Lolli stop talking out of your Daily Mail fed arse.
11/17/2012 12:09pm, #199
- Join Date
- Sep 2007
Having said all this a new system will always need adaptations, with the economic crisis the EU will probably need extensive modification; that is not a condemnation of the concept of the EU.
11/17/2012 1:57pm, #200
- Join Date
- Aug 2012
- Madrid, Spain
One of the reasons we are not burning government buildings is because of the submerged economy. Lotsa people working without contracts and the like. Some work like that and cash-in subsidies. Many companies' recruiting policies have switched from "lulz we got oprah-rich you can has more money and employee benefits even though you are not a valuable asset to the company" to firing people and then hiring interns to fill positions that were previously held by people with experience so they can cut costs. Other companies that have seen positive numbers still have taken the opportunity to reduce personnel and decrease costs even more. Many companies one way or the other avoid this or that tax. This also happens with the rich.
Government is right-wing and is privatizing public services. Shockingly enough, the companies that are acquiring the public services contracts are always owned by someone belonging to the party, or with relations to someone of the party.
Most politicians have more asistants than socks (president has some 200 and something), many of them will not have any kind of real education (university degrees, or even HIGHSCHOOL degrees, or real working experience, as they just joined the party when they were in their 20s and have stayed there since then receiving money to nod to everything their bosses say).
The biggest unions are government-funded. Corruption is the norm: if your cousin is one of the big boys at the union, maybe you can get paid 5k to give a course on safety regarding installation of solar panels for the lulz (1 week duration, 3 hours per day); courses that are supposed to improve and recycle the worker's abilities and add experience on the curriculum, but ends up being just a waste of time and money.
Oh, and the government doesnt care about the people demonstrating, so they'll keep playing their tune until someone breaks the fucking instrument.