Eurogeddon

**Hiro Protagonist** · Posted On: 10/21/2012 4:17pm

Originally Posted by judoka_uk

Hopefully in 5-10 years time people will be talking about the post-Euro, post-EU recovery. When the history books will be full of discussion about how the folly of European politicians in their overreaction to the second world war ended in such an economic, political and social disaster.

I smell a bet. Interested?

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 10/21/2012 4:58pm

Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist

I smell a bet. Interested?

I'll bet you that the EU doesn't last as long as Franco's fascist dictatorship of Spain, that's for sure.

**Hiro Protagonist** · Posted On: 10/21/2012 6:17pm

I bet one English Euro that by 2017, you will still be bitching about things you don't know a lot about.

You being English, that might well refer to cooking, but I am really talking about politics and economy.

**thrutch** · Posted On: 10/21/2012 7:04pm

Things will have changed considerably within the Eurozone by 2017 I suspect.

An "In/Out" referendum will be one of the big election issues in the UK in 2015 and we may well be on the brink of a vote by then.

We can but hope.

**Moenstah** · Posted On: 10/22/2012 6:47am

Originally Posted by judoka_uk

Lol, as you're so keen on Googling things, why don't you Google how many of your fascist U-boat operating ancestors ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic thanks to Turing and the Bletchley team?

Or are you upset because your Granddad was one of them?

You are doing it wrong. He is trying the anti-gay tactic. What you should do then, is return in kind:

- What did the nazis shortly before do with homosexuals?
- Why wasn't Paragraph 175 abolished earlier in the DDR and the BRD?

**Moenstah** · Posted On: 10/22/2012 6:51am

Originally Posted by nils

Well, the Bundesverfassungsgericht declined to a paper-tiger in the last few years.

Interesting, Dutch media hailed it as one of the 'pillars of the post-War BRD', widely respected institution and all that. Thx

**Moenstah** · Posted On: 10/22/2012 6:53am

Originally Posted by judoka_uk

I'll bet you that the EU doesn't last as long as Franco's fascist dictatorship of Spain, that's for sure.

You might lose that bet, but I think that the EURO won't last long anymore in its current form

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 10/22/2012 1:55pm

Originally Posted by Moenstah

You might lose that bet, but I think that the EURO won't last long anymore in its current form

Franco 39 years, the EU is 19 years old. You reckon the EU will last another 20 years? I mean once the Euro goes and Britain leaves, probably followed by one if not two countries?

I will concede that there might be a rump EU in 2032 - France, Germany, Benelux and Denmark, perhaps.

But an EU with the current 27 member states, not a chance.

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 10/26/2012 5:09pm

As perfect and succinct a demonstration of the arrogance and profound ignorance of the technocratic Europhiles as you'll ever see at 2.23.

An MEP laughing and shaking her head when being told that Soviet Russia was the greatest threat to European peace post 1945 and that American troops ensured that that peace wasn't broken.

To believe that in post 1945 Europe that any state other than Soviet Russia was the greatest threat to peace is just so laughably absurd as to need no engagement with.

The only point of view more absurd, is to believe that the stationing of US troops in Europe didn't guarantee the safety of mainland Europe from Soviet invasion.

Note also the incredibly rude barracking of Farage by avowed Europhiles like Verhofstardt. These are people to whom the realities and facts of the last 50 years are a mirage and whose concept of debate and freedom of speech is one in which you're a free to debate the brilliance of their ideas and free to speak to the perfection of their vision.

Verhofstadt and his ilk are some of the most dangerous people to stalk the continent since 1939 and for the sake of the freedoms, liberty and peace of the peoples of Europe they must be stopped.

**ashkelon** · Posted On: 10/27/2012 6:33am

I don't think Verhofstadt would disagree with that, after all he was one of NATO's biggest fans in his career, pre-Bush Jr, whom you have to admit made a mess of transatlantic relations. Blair and Verhofstadt were palls and allies before V started to promote the idea of an EU defense policy, he was always one to forge ahead forgetting he's not secured sufficient backing.

Farage is a demagoge who loves to troll the parliament and because of his style, agenda and lack of clout, noone will treat him as more than a nuisance.