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    One of the things that makes bum wines attractive to bums is their high alcohol/dollar ratio. I don't think Dom P or Cristal will ever be a good choice under those conditions.
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    Buckfast Tonic Wine
    17% alc. by vol.

    Huge demand from our friends in Scotland made it impossible to ignore this drink. However, the difference in the American English dialect has caused a misunderstanding about the purpose of this web site. The word "bum" in the US more commonly means a homeless person, also known as a "tramp," a "hobo," or a "wino." The purpose of this web site is to review wines that are popular with homeless people.

    Buckfast is made in Devon, England at Buckfast Abbey by Benedictine monks. True to its name, Buckfast will get you "bucked up" real fast. Buckfast was thick, with a strong taste of molasses. There was also a hint of some type of herb reminiscent of oregano, and a soapy aftertaste. Like some of its high-sugar American counterparts, Buckfast gets you fired up and full of energy. A report from BBC News and one from the New York times shows a connection between Buckfast and violent crime. Of the offenders who had been drinking immediately before their violent offence, more than 40% had been drinking Buckfast! According to the report, each bottle contained 281mg of caffeine - the same amount as eight cans of Coke. Despite its reputation for violent hooligans, with Buckfast's hefty price of about $8 US per bottle, we were skeptical that homeless winos would spend their hard earned coins when there are cheaper alternatives. Our contacts in Scotland tell us that only the most hardened alcoholics drink this beverages, but the homeless winos reach for cheaper alternatives.

    Like the great Sherlock Holmes, our UK investigator hit the alleys of London to see if there was any bumvidence to support Buckfast as a popular drink among homeless people. The discarded bumvidence littered in bums' nests pointed to the much more economically viable hard cider in 3 liter plastic jugs as the drink of choice rather than any of the wines. Our reporter brought a 3 liter jug of "White Ace" cider back to the states, which is 7% alcohol per volume and only about $3.50 US for the whole 3 liter jug. When the test subject drank the whole bottle of "White Ace," in Las Vegas, the effects were severe. He got kicked out of 4 Queens casino for washing his hands in a urinal, then fell asleep for 3 hours and woke up soaked in his own urine (see picture to the right). He woke up and got into a 6 year old's pirate costume, ran around slapping gamblers in the gut, got kicked out of The Imperial Palace, and became so obnoxious that his friends put him on a plane and sent him home early.

    In summary, there are readily avaliable cheaper alternatives to Buckfast that have similar alcohol content. As far as we can determine, Buckfast is a wine for alcoholics, but out of the price range of the destitute homeless. Nevertheless, we salute it!


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    However, let's disregard the bum aspect on the high end alcohols. Let's say thugs, not bums. Thugs who live in the projects. And trade food stamps to buy Cristal and gold earrings. Do they lower the Cristal to thug status? I say they at least diminish its status somewhat..
    Buckfast 'in 5,000 crime reports'

    Buckfast was mentioned in more than 5,000 crime reports

    New evidence linking Buckfast Tonic Wine to crime has been uncovered by a BBC Scotland investigation.


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8464359.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8462042.stm

    It found that - of those offenders who had been drinking immediately before their offence - more than 40% had been drinking Buckfast.

    Though Buckfast is obviously not Cristal, there are cheaper alternatives.
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    The owner of Cristal was asked if the Cristal name-dropping in rap would hurt their business, and he said " "that's a good question, but what can we do? We can't forbid people from buying it. I'm sure Dom Perignon or Krug would be delighted to have their business."

    This caught the attention of Jay-Z, who thought it was a patronizing and offensive comment about the hip hop community, said that he wouldn't drink or serve Cristal in his clubs. Jay-Z carries a good deal of sway in the hip hop community, and many others took note and stopped pimping Cristal. So, in a way, Cristal's owner got what he wanted (the rappers to stop associating with them), but they also lost a big demographic that previously thought Cristal was the shiz. That was in 2006. I'm not sure how that move affected their sales or reputation since then, but its an interesting case.


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    I knew about the Jay Z thing. The Cristal brand is better off without that demographic.

    Another brand ruined by broke ass ghetto thugs - Tommy Hilfiger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auszi View Post
    Buckfast 'in 5,000 crime reports'

    Buckfast was mentioned in more than 5,000 crime reports

    New evidence linking Buckfast Tonic Wine to crime has been uncovered by a BBC Scotland investigation.


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8464359.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8462042.stm

    It found that - of those offenders who had been drinking immediately before their offence - more than 40% had been drinking Buckfast.

    Though Buckfast is obviously not Cristal, there are cheaper alternatives.
    You're missing the critical factor - taste.

    Buckfast's main demographic isn't tramps and hardened alcoholics, its teenagers.

    Teenagers drink Buckfast because it doesn't taste as bad as whiskey or vodka and girls will drink it as well as boys. Key factor if you're a teenager, softening her up with a bit of Buckfast.

    They aren't opting for Buckfast because its the best alcohol to price ratio, they're opting for it because its the best alcohol to price to taste ratio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    Teenagers drink Buckfast because it doesn't taste as bad as whiskey or vodka and girls will drink it as well as boys. Key factor if you're a teenager, softening her up with a bit of Buckfast.

    They aren't opting for Buckfast because its the best alcohol to price ratio, they're opting for it because its the best alcohol to price to taste ratio.
    Same thing here, but Boone's Farm would be the industry leader in that category.
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    We had this stuff called Passion Pop here when I was at high school, amongst other things like wild peach casks etc, not even sure if Passion pop was the real name. Anyway it was sweet as cordial, had bubbles and girls would always be drinking it . Three times it got me, there would always be a bottle lying around at the end of the night and I succumbed, the final nightcap, and inevitably ended up throwing up.

    It was so sweet and disgusting, I don't know how anyone could drink it. I am shuddering just remembering the taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil View Post
    I knew about the Jay Z thing. The Cristal brand is better off without that demographic.
    I dunno man, I think the go-out-and-spend-beyond-my-means crowd could really mean a lot of revenue for a business like that.

    I think if you read the quote of what the guy said, its really not that offensive and could've been much worse.

    Another brand ruined by broke ass ghetto thugs - Tommy Hilfiger.
    I think a funnier example is Timberland, who kinda had this outdoorsman/working man image so it was odd for it to get thug attention.
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