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It IS history and other than acting superior with your knowledge you still haven't made a suggestion on change. In 1961 everyone was warned about the military industrial complex by the man who led many of them in war, yet it did not prevent this. The people with influence at that time are mostly gone. You hate the leaders of the country but state the Cambodian stuff had to be hidden from congress and the voters. From that statement this behavior is not condoned. So what to do now? How do you establish modern relevance?
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Why the **** is it up to me to "establish modern relevance?" You, I guess, are young, wtf are YOU doing?
Besides bullshitting on Bullshido, I personally do faith based demos at weapon plants and test sites, support Hawaiian sovereignty, marched with the Shoshone and got busted with the Paiutes, joined the Salt Lake City and Hilo Occupy, got in Karl Rove's book promo, and on and on. I don't think it's up to me to make my message relevant to kiddies, either you give a **** or you don't, go figure out your own path, your own way, maybe you can have "relevant" impact.
This reminds me of the classic, often, very often repeated scenario, that activists face. Someone comes to a meeting or two. Then they give The Speech. The Speech is where they tell us what we are doing wrong and what we should be doing. Then they never show up again. The answer of course is, if that's what you think, then form a committee and get working. But it's way easier to bitch about it and do nothing.
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Um, have you tried to immigrate to the United States lately? That **** is bananas.
One of my bff's from college married an Australian guy, and despite being educated, financially well off, a native english speaker, and married to an American, after two months of attempting to get through immigration, they both said "**** it" and moved to Australia.The fool thinks himself immortal,
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Posted On:
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Pat,
I am NOT an activist. I am the guy reading the signs. I do vote and try my best to do so responsibly. I am not young, probably the age of your oldest kids if you have any. I count my blessings so even though I have my share of complaints the status quo has been good to me. However, I try to go beyond the "I got mine" mentality. So I respect your efforts enough to listen and I actually read protestors' signs. So I read that war is not the answer, what is the answer? What exactly are you looking for and asking for from the guy driving by? -
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Think? Hope people THINK? And hope that more become activists. It's good to vote, many don't; the white and richer one is the more likely it is that one votes - not exactly healthy for democracy or the country.
I wouldn't be where I'm at if I hadn't been exposed to an anti-Vietnam war rally in '67. Things started making sense. One forms one's world view and it's always changing and growing, so I guess I'm hoping that others may be some influence in our witnessing for peace. It's also empowering. Empowering to find other people that share values, many of whom are more committed - hanging with folks who've just got out of prison for protesting torture (or nukes, or the various wars) makes me humble and is encouraging.
And it's empowering for the oppressed. The Shoshone and Utes have been fucked over, amazingly deeply fucked over - the Paiutes lands ALL tested high for plutonium, for instance - and protesting, camping, doing ceremonies, and listening to them taught me plenty and gave me a glimpse of their culture. And it gives them pride and purpose. But I don't think that their lives are going to change much from 'voting.'
I also hope that St Peter at the Golden Gate can't say, "So, were you a GOOD German?"
And I hope my actions my help my children's and grandson's future.
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