Thread: 42 years ago today
5/04/2012 9:48pm, #11
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5/05/2012 6:32am, #12
The photo of Jackson State, wow, the number of bullet holes. Presumably the National Guard ran out of bullets...
Colby murdered? I thought he died of natural causes in his canoe?
5/05/2012 7:07am, #13
5/05/2012 7:48am, #14
Big Business & Central Government tend to have a revolving door between them.
Is Donald Rumsfeld an 'entrepeneur', or a 'public servant' ?
Why, he's a little of both, and yet absolutely neither.
Former Goldman Sachs partners working in finance ministries & former Defence ministers taking seats on the board of aerospace contractors don't get hung up on this 'public/private' thing, and neither should you.
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5/05/2012 11:13am, #15
hmm, a bit of a rant, but back to topic soon?
"My fellow Americans: As President and Commander in Chief, it is my duty to the American people to report that renewed hostile actions against United States ships on the high seas in the Gulf of Tonkin have today required me to order the military forces of the United States to take action in reply.
The initial attack on the destroyer Maddox, on August 2, was repeated today by a number of hostile vessels attacking two U.S. destroyers with torpedoes. The destroyers and supporting aircraft acted at once on the orders I gave after the initial act of aggression. We believe at least two of the attacking boats were sunk. There were no U.S. losses.
The performance of commanders and crews in this engagement is in the highest tradition of the United States Navy. But repeated acts of violence against the Armed Forces of the United States must be met not only with alert defense, but with positive reply. That reply is being given as I speak to you tonight. Air action is now in execution against gunboats and certain supporting facilities in North Vietnam which have been used in these hostile operations.
In the larger sense this new act of aggression, aimed directly at our own forces, again brings home to all of us in the United States the importance of the struggle for peace and security in southeast Asia. Aggression by terror against the peaceful villagers of South Vietnam has now been joined by open aggression on the high seas against the United States of America.
The determination of all Americans to carry out our full commitment to the people and to the government of South Vietnam will be redoubled by this outrage. Yet our response, for the present, will be limited and fitting. We Americans know, although others appear to forget, the risks of spreading conflict. We still seek no wider war."
Me and about 50,000 dead American soldiers suckered for that one. You know, from 1975 to 1980 just as many Vietnam veterans died from suicide. PTSD was bad from WWII, but way worse from Vietnam, and I believe finding out that it was all bullshit, that we were the "bad guys," that the US military service men who were in South East Asia had been telling the Pentagon to back Ho Chi Minh since the 40s, wtf?, it just goes on and on and on and it's the same bullshit now. Put that in your fucking history books, suckers.
Having had friends die for lies has given me a shitty attitude.
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The one that really is getting to me is that as far as I can get it, most of the people around Martin Luther King said that gun fire noises came from some nearby bushes. Bushes that were quickly cut down and removed.
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5/05/2012 11:42am, #16
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Say everything went down as you say, where are you going with this. Setting the record straight? Preventing a repeat? The people in charge for vietnam are passed. Todays leaders are only criticized for whether they served or not during that time and that issue is fading as new leaders were not old enough to go to vietnam. No history is clean when you start digging. I would be pissed too in your position, just trying to figure out which point you are trying to make.
5/09/2012 6:36pm, #17
"I want to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds." JFK
Vietnam gave me the attitude, but current events show me that it is the same old crap.
It's a hope that perhaps a few might not join the military, a few more might see through the bullshit. On a broader scale it would be wonderful if Bullshido could expand it's attack on fraud in the martial arts to attack fraud in the wars of the US. That's the real Bullshido, Chicken Hawks leading the charge (from DC), leaders who have never had a bullet fired at them smugly saying, "Bring it on." What horrid bullshit. It amazes me that no one questions why the US spends more annually on the military than the next ten countries combined: between 2000 and 2008, including supplemental war spending, U.S. military spending increased from 387 billion to 710 billion, an 83% increase. Why does the US have to spend so much? The $720 million we were blowing in Iraq, bleeding our wealth, what could the money have done?
I guess it's to no purpose really, that the masses of Americans don't support the current wars means nothing because we have become powerless. Maybe I'm just planning on telling St Peter at the Golden Gate, "No, I wasn't a fucking Good German, I called them on their bullshit
I was told many years ago that if one wanted to know the real history and morals of a nation, study their secret police; all else is bullshit and propaganda. In a similar fashion, one can follow the money. Eisenhower was The Correct in warning of the powers of the Military Industrial Complex, but I don't think he could imagine how far it's gotten today.
I would hope that more people can see that the US hasn't acted for democracy and freedom. It would be nice if it was known that the US created the radical muslim movement (Mohammad Reza Pahlavi... Who except true radicals would risk being forced to watch their own children's arms cut off?) That the Drug War and War on Terrorism are bullshit.
That the bottom 40% of Americans now own .03% of the wealth of the country, in real terms, nothing. While the 1% of 1%, have an average income of almost $300 million annually, and the top 1 percent owns more than a third of the country and is heading for owning half. As Lech Walesa has noted recently, this disparity in America will lead to civil unrest and terrible consequences.
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http://www.humanitycampaign.org/poli...pending-facts/"Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
5/09/2012 11:47pm, #18
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I hear what your saying but its not resonating. The chicken hawk argument would be great except it has a very dark underbelly: leave it to the professionals. That goes against civilian control. With no draft, our military is all professionals. The chicken hawk arguement is much stronger if there is draft potential and our standing military size is greatly reduced. Until then it can go very wrong.
As for the rest of the world, will they step up towards global security? Don't know. Would first world countries stay peaceful without a strong us military? I like to think so, but i don't know.
Finally, the wealth issue, the drug war, and the perpetual war issue need to be addressed. Present ideas from your insights on history to address these issues. Maybe that will resonate.
5/10/2012 4:29am, #19
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Edit: the first two minutes may be seen as somewhat offensive, after that it gets interesting.
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5/14/2012 9:12pm, #20
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never have i seen that picture before..interesting