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    Ninja-quick edit! This seems to be descending into name-calling so I'll stop here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old chestnut View Post
    Aren't you the one who started by pretending to be an objective third party, saying 'oh no I'm not doing systema but I read/watch a lot about it and it's t3h d3adl33', only outing yourself as a practitioner much later?

    Oh yeah, it's this thread: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=36200&page=1
    Let's be real you took it there with this post.

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    Indeed, and I don't apologise for it, because nothing has changed to alter my impression of what was going on in that thread.

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    Who said apologize? No one.

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    So, Dldr, this ballistic hitting ****, your take?
    GET A RED BELT OR DIE TRYIN'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR View Post
    Briefly, IMO it's a very advanced martial arts/fighting pedagogy that works best as "think and move outside the box" training for people who already have extensive cross-training experience. I don't typically recommend it to martial arts newbies or to people who want quick results.
    I've trained in systema for six months and reached somewhat different conclusions. At one point, there were people willing to pressure test the art. They were replaced by aikido wanna-bes who prefered camo to magic pants. All of them thinking they were learning the deadly. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnKenner View Post
    I've trained in systema for six months and reached somewhat different conclusions. At one point, there were people willing to pressure test the art. They were replaced by aikido wanna-bes who prefered camo to magic pants. All of them thinking they were learning the deadly. Sad.
    There was a political bust-up several years ago between the then-brass and senior students who wanted to take it in the direction of heavy pressure testing. For some reason that I never caught up with, the use of MMA gloves and headgear was very controversial - seemed like a no-brainer to me.

    I don't know many details, but Kevin Secours is now teaching "Combat Systema", which is probably what you have in mind as the opposite of deadly aiki-wannabes. If I was still training in the System, I'd favor that approach too; without it, it's too easy for the training to become academic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR View Post
    There was a political bust-up several years ago between the then-brass and senior students who wanted to take it in the direction of heavy pressure testing. For some reason that I never caught up with, the use of MMA gloves and headgear was very controversial - seemed like a no-brainer to me.
    I don't suppose you'd like to elaborate on this?
    "So, yeah, Zen teachers may well insult you, work you to the bone, hit you with sticks, shout verbal abuse at you, and punch the **** out of you.
    And when the ****'s been punched out of you, you might just find that you're far better-off without it." - Vieux Normand

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    Just that you quickly reach the limit of tolerable risk in training bare-knuckled and without head and face protection, so to me it makes perfect sense to pad up.

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