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**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 4/29/2012 4:12pm

Originally Posted by johnny_cage

anyways- this has been off topic for long enough now> my point is simply that MY definition of who is a 'warrior' is not satisfied [only] by being a member of an armed force.

Yes we know, you're a ninja...

**tgace** · Posted On: 4/29/2012 4:22pm

On "Warriors":

http://www.lowtechcombat.com/2012/02...e-warrior.html

Im quoted. :)

From a Police Officer’s Perspective

tgace offers his own definition of what a warrior is. tgace is an experienced police officer so his thoughts are from that perspective. Here is tgace’s definition of what a warrior is, summarized:

“I believe a true “Warrior” is someone who fights our enemies and puts his/her ass on the line for something bigger than himself ... Sporting events and dancing around in a dojo, or strutting around a gunrange in your 5.11′s and thigh holster doesn’t count. Many people want all the glory with none of the sacrifice and risk … as in risking your very life ... Just because someone wants to be a Warrior doesn't make them one IMO ... a person leaping into the fantasy of “being” a warrior who just happens to really be a guy who works at the Best Buy help desk and goes to class 2X a week is a bit lame IMO.”

Fairly hard core and straight down the line. I think one of the keys here in tgaces definition is fighting for “something bigger than himself”. This type of differentiation comes up again and again when talking about a warrior.

**cualltaigh** · Posted On: 4/29/2012 4:37pm

Originally Posted by johnny_cage

anyways- this has been off topic for long enough now> my point is simply that MY definition of who is a 'warrior' is not satisfied [only] by being a member of an armed force.

A warrior is a person whose role within a society is the conduct of warfare.

The distinction you are arguing for comes across like a childhood fantasy born of a Hollywood ideal that a TROO WARRIAH is someone who jumps through windows into groups of enemies, firing a chain gun with one hand while wielding a knife with the other and dropping droll one-liners. Ironically it is partially of the same mentality/delusion of the very ninjers you are using it to deride.

This is timely also in that we've just commemorated ANZAC day here, in which we remember and show our appreciation for all who have served this country. Not just the frontline troops but all who have stepped up in any capacity, for whatever reason to take up a role in the war machine. All of whom are, by definition, warriors.

**downtime** · Posted On: 4/29/2012 4:47pm

You can also copy/paste, and hit to put everything you've highlighted into a quote bubble.

No ****, thank god for Bobby I actually learned something reading through this entire god awful thread. I sit owe you a beer for at least making this not a complete waste of time.

***jnp*** · Posted On: 4/29/2012 4:59pm

Originally Posted by johnny_cage

anyways- this has been off topic for long enough now> my point is simply that MY definition of who is a 'warrior' is not satisfied [only] by being a member of an armed force.

You are so misinformed and irritating that I considered banning you as a comedy option.

A comedy option for me that is. Luckily for you I can't get past the fact that's an extremely unfair thing to do.

I say all this as a former Marine who served during Desert Storm.

**johnny_cage** · Posted On: 4/29/2012 5:17pm

Originally Posted by tgace

On "Warriors":

http://www.lowtechcombat.com/2012/02...e-warrior.html

Im quoted. :)

Interesting... and i agree.

Also I see how ALL military[by definition] also apply and fall under the exact same category of 'warrior' [which is nearly the exact same as what gezere said about paratroops] and i understand how my confusion of the term caused me to change the question to something else entirely.

@cualltaigh
"A warrior is a person whose role within a society is the conduct of warfare.

The distinction you are arguing for comes across like a childhood fantasy born of a Hollywood ideal that a TROO WARRIAH is someone who jumps through windows into groups of enemies, firing a chain gun with one hand while wielding a knife with the other and dropping droll one-liners. Ironically it is partially of the same mentality/delusion of the very ninjers you are using it to deride.

This is timely also in that we've just commemorated ANZAC day here, in which we remember and show our appreciation for all who have served this country. Not just the frontline troops but all who have stepped up in any capacity, for whatever reason to take up a role in the war machine. All of whom are, by definition, warriors."

I understand your post and you are correct.
ALL of this stems from my fantasy question[as soon as i read your post i understood what itisfake meant & what my poor assumption was] of what SEPERATES a warrior-sic person involved in war/what tgace said- from a WARRIOR(all caps refers to something pieced together from comics/movies/fantasy).

I agree with you- and further more i will spend the rest of at least today pondering exactly how arrogantly wrong i was for trying to argue the seperation between the two.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 4/29/2012 5:26pm

The best part of your diatribes are that you'll rant, find something to nitpick and then say stuff like this

I agree with you-

after nitpicking their point.

You know like this:

The distinction you are arguing for comes across like a childhood fantasy born of a Hollywood ideal that a TROO WARRIAH is someone who jumps through windows into groups of enemies, firing a chain gun with one hand while wielding a knife with the other and dropping droll one-liners. Ironically it is partially of the same mentality/delusion of the very ninjers you are using it to deride.

Here's the difference, Ninjas have been so far removed from reality that there is no Irony involved it is ignorance on your part.

There are enough angry articles, that exist in the media, to say everything minus the gun knife scenario is true. Do you need them?

**johnny_cage** · Posted On: 4/29/2012 6:27pm

"There are enough angry articles, that exist in the media, to say everything minus the gun knife scenario is true. Do you need them?"

I dont understand what you are saying/asking here. sorry. could you re-phase/ reword?

**Sri Hanuman** · Posted On: 4/29/2012 9:36pm

Originally Posted by jnp

You are so misinformed and irritating that I considered banning you as a comedy option.

A comedy option for me that is. Luckily for you I can't get past the fact that's an extremely unfair thing to do.

I say all this as a former Marine who served during Desert Storm.

Sir, I'd like to thank you for your service and offer a hug, but I'm afraid you'll just sprawl, and use the momentum to dislocate my neck.

Now to get back on track:

Originally Posted by cualltaigh

A warrior is a person whose role within a society is the conduct of warfare.

Exactly.
Problem is, main stream society and media have fucked around with our notions and perspectives so much, that words we think may mean something, don't quite mean the same thing to everyone.

Which is why we turn to our two friends, Mr. Dictionary, and Mr. History Book. To quote from that wordy scalawag Mr. Dictionary:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/warrior

: a man engaged or experienced in warfare; broadly : a person engaged in some struggle or conflict <poverty warriors>

Damn... Comrade Webster seems to give us a semantic loophole.
Comrade Oxford?

http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...n=us&q=warrior

Pronunciation: /ˈwôrēər/
noun

(especially in former times) a brave or experienced soldier or fighter.

Origin:

Middle English: from Old Northern French werreior, variant of Old French guerreior, from guerreier 'make war', from guerre 'war'

Much better, thank you.

Now, on to the subject of history, pick up a damn Greek/Roman history book, then skim over WW2, in particular the part where those silly Germanians tried to build snow angels in our beloved Leningrad/St Petersburg/Putinville/whatever the **** they're calling it these days.

Not pretty ****. Guts, brains, complete absence bitchy nunchuck waving. Just shooting the **** out of Johnny-No-Ammo and his pal, Mr. Too Slow To Duck.

As for everything else, it's up to our brave men and women who actually put their asses on the line to put the bitch smack on the weekend warriors who get a bit too wordy and liberal with the title. Really, in the end it comes down to that.

p.s.

I love you all.

-Evil Monkey

**tgace** · Posted On: 4/29/2012 10:20pm

The "Warrior Word"...I think all depends on the society and culture we are discussing.

In ancient Japan (and in other societies) a “Warrior” was what you were were born as (vs a Farmer, Artisan or merchant). Today you can take on the job.

I have no issues with some professions using the word as a motivational term to inspire their members to a higher level of training and/or performance.

If a cop considers himself a “warrior” who protects society from criminals and the mindset drives him to workout, shoot, take martial arts classes, study law, etc…GREAT!

On the other hand if a person is only using the term as an ego gratifier and thinks that he/she is somehow a better person than someone else that’s an issue with the individual, not the term.

I think that the word is vastly overused by people who never have to put their ass on the line for it (in service to others). A soldier, LEO, Firefighter, etc using the term? Fine. A hobby martial artist, sport fighter or gun class Rambo? That’s another story.