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  1. itwasntme is online now
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    Post don't get deleted, but they do get moved sometimes. Can you repeat what you said?
    I've seen entire threads deleted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    i really think that those who can't get their head around the bowing thing (because their angry sky daddy will punish them) don't deserve judo. life is full of choices, and if your bronze age superstitions are holding you back, so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    i really think that those who can't get their head around the bowing thing (because their angry sky daddy will punish them) don't deserve judo. life is full of choices, and if your bronze age superstitions are holding you back, so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Very rare is what he means. Yes there was one recently, but not on purpose. Plural since you joined? Doubtful.
    That must have been a weird ass thread. I've seen threads get moved where non-sponsors etc. can't see then, but wholesale deletion is definitely not the norm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    Just curious if you brought a Dan grade rank over to USA Judo, and if they fully recognized it.
    Matt, unless things have changed, all three orgs "recognize" each others ranks, dan grade or other wise. So my USJF nidan certificate was proof I was a nidan, so I could be reccomended to test for sandan. Same as my USJI (USA Judo now) shodan cert was accepted for eligibility for testing for nidan.

    A legit (OK, I know...) USJA promotion for a dan grade will be recognized by USA Judo, or USJF. USA Judo will even (or at least used to) issue a duplicate rank cert for equivalent grade. But that doesn't mean the recipient gets USA Judo rank, it's just proof that USA Judo "recognizes" the rank as legit as issued by USJA or USJF.

    If for some reason I went to USJA for a yondan promotion, then they would accept my sandan from USA Judo as proof of grade. Or vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Matt, unless things have changed, all three orgs "recognize" each others ranks, dan grade or other wise. So my USJF nidan certificate was proof I was a nidan, so I could be reccomended to test for sandan. Same as my USJI (USA Judo now) shodan cert was accepted for eligibility for testing for nidan.

    A legit (OK, I know...) USJA promotion for a dan grade will be recognized by USA Judo, or USJF. USA Judo will even (or at least used to) issue a duplicate rank cert for equivalent grade. But that doesn't mean the recipient gets USA Judo rank, it's just proof that USA Judo "recognizes" the rank as legit as issued by USJA or USJF.

    If for some reason I went to USJA for a yondan promotion, then they would accept my sandan from USA Judo as proof of grade. Or vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    A legit (OK, I know...) USJA promotion for a dan grade will be recognized by USA Judo, or USJF. USA Judo will even (or at least used to) issue a duplicate rank cert for equivalent grade. But that doesn't mean the recipient gets USA Judo rank, it's just proof that USA Judo "recognizes" the rank as legit as issued by USJA or USJF.
    Ben,

    We are going to have to agree on "terms" here. Your "Ok, I know" speaks to the central issue here. Yes, USA Judo will accept, with proof, that you have a USJA (insert rank here). However, that USJA part WILL be put forth in ALL discussions of said rank. Because of, as you said "Ok, I know."

    There is no way USA Judo will issue you rank based on USJA rank. You can say "I am a 5th dan in the USJA and now I want to be a 5th dan in USA JUDO, certified by USA Judo." However, USA Judo is simply not going to do that.

    Now, you change that central issue by saying if you wanted to go from 3rd in one group to 4th in another. While I am sure USJA will sell you any rank you wish, (OK, we both know) not everyone will. The legal issues alone prevent such a thing from happening. We ALL know most high ranking USJA black belts got them from Porter and as such simply do not have the skills the rank they hold infers.

    The claim that they are expected to "hold their own" against younger stronger players is fatuous at its face. No one expects that. One should expect that THEY BE ABLE TO PASS THE TEST FOR THE RANK. USJA's senior test is published and its requirements are plain. I took the entire text for 6th dan, ever single part of it. I took it when I was about 49 years old. I will take it again at 58 years old, at will, the second some of these high ranking people take theirs.

    This is all old stuff, and I am aware that nothing I say is going to change much. I was offered a 7th dan a few months back, which I turned down, because the value of USJA rank is about the same as my stack of "Juko-lie" papers I "earned" back in the day. The difference is, I simply do not speak of those ranks, or frankly any of this silly political posturing any more.

    However, again, all USA judo is saying is, with proof, "Yes, you have (x) rank with USJA." And as Ben said "Ok, I know......"
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