4/04/2012 3:19pm, #21
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- Jul 2010
And the third and the fourth?
4/04/2012 7:28pm, #22
- Join Date
- Aug 2003
- Boxing and Moo Duk Kwan
Ten years ago I tried TKD, it was horrible for me. All the sensei tried to do was get me stiff as a board, throw puches from the hips, block every attack, and constantly back petal from an opponent. Every instinct from boxing was against this and I had to get out of there. It wans't for me.
4/04/2012 7:35pm, #23
4/04/2012 7:50pm, #24
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- Apr 2012
I just remembered that when I learned TKD in a dojo approved by TKD association (I can't remember which; it was probably WTF) and the grandmaster was, if I remember correctly, was 8th dan and had the certification displayed in his office.
The problem was that either the way my teachers taught me was really boring or I was a really, REALLY, lazy kid (I never had any interest in martial arts until I was 18). Whichever it was, I started to hate going to TKD.
The absolutely worst part was that it did not help me AT ALL with the issue of getting bullied, even after practicing it for five years and getting a black-red belt. I could not fight them off nor did I have any confidence in myself. It did not help at all that some of the very bullies that made my life hell was going to the same dojo as me and sometimes used to sparrings as an opportunity to beat me up. I started to despair more and more until I finally quitted the dojo altogether.
I am not discreditting TKD here. I am just saying that I have a very negative impression on it due to my depressing experience. If anyone enjoys it and is benefitted by it, that is very good for you and you should keep practicing it.
Just don't ever ask me, nor my future children, to take it up.
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4/04/2012 8:31pm, #25
If it is and you insist on me making the comparison between Thai boxing and TKD, here is an anecdote from my time with my TKD instructor:
I used to work in the same complex as my dojang and had a really good relationship with my Kwanjangnim. As I was so close, I was often the first and only person at the dojang, before even the kids classes (it was 40 minutes to go home then 40 minutes to come back, so not worth it). This meant that I had time to use the dojang and its equipment by myself. So I would do my poomsae, but mostly I liked kicking the bags.
Now, I love Muay Thai and never really let go of the stuff that I had learnt when I did it, I love kicking hard and low and with my shin, with power coming from the hip backed by my significant weight. I love making the bag crumple and that solid thump as I kick it. Absolutely love it. TKD, however, teaches to slap kicks, fast sharp cracks with the fulcrum coming from the knee.
Now, at the time I was learning TKD for a couple of reasons, the first being that I wanted to learn an "art". I had been a brawling drunk when I was younger and wanted some sort of martial arts discipline which included meditation principles. Second, it was close to my work. Third, TKD is quick and at 120kg I wasn't. So I was there to learn speed. I already had a lot of power. Remember as well, this is all before I found bullshido and the efficacy of grappling.
So there I am kicking the bag when this 16 year old black belt (lol) comes up to me and tells me I'm doing it all wrong. He explains to me that I should be chambering my kicks from the knee and slapping the bag. I look at him, this weed of a dude, and smile and kick the bag so loud it reverberates around the dojang. He continues telling me how I am doing it wrong.
Now, Kwanjangnim knew I wasn't going to be a star competitor in TKD and he also knew of my training history. I took him aside and asked him what he thought about my kicking outside of his class, after I had dutifully explained that while in class I was there to learn TKD and defer to his teachings. He said to me, "you kick hard, you kick with power and you have good technique. Don't listen to that guy." Not that I needed his approval, but I was using his dojang.
So my Kwanjangnim recognised that Muay Thai kicks, for me at least, were better. Anecdote closed.
The thing is that TKD linked me to HKD and HKD opened up another world to me, a world where techniques of joint locks were included. I didn't see how many of the joint locks could work on a resisting opponent, having been in a few blues in my time, so I went searching for more info, found bullshido and ultimately found grappling.
Even though the motto of nearly every martial arts school is "drop the ego", the biggest egos I ever came across were those under 30 in black belts in TKD. I stepped in my first BJJ class with an ego the size of Gibraltar (because I had done a few years of striking and played rugby so how hard could it be, right?) and by the end of the lesson, the ego was the size of an atom. I was in a world where my size, my strength and my power meant very little. I knew I had much to learn.
In TKD, I knew I would need to know all these patterns that I thought were ludicrous for self defence, but that they were part of the art and that's how you got a black belt, by doing the forms, by participating in foot slapping comps and by becoming more flexible. That was how I saw progression through TKDs ranking. The challenge was minimal. In grappling the challenge is evident from the first class and is present every class from then on.GET A RED BELT OR DIE TRYIN'.
4/05/2012 1:08am, #26
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- Feb 2004
- TKD BJJ
In my BJJ school, I
1. Regularly roll with my instructor
2. Regularly roll with my head instructor when he visits
That's a 4th degree and 6th degree BJJ black belts, right there. When is the last time you EVER saw a TKD master fight with his students? I haven't, and I did TKD for almost 20 years.
There's something seriously wrong with that.
4/05/2012 4:16pm, #27
4/05/2012 4:51pm, #28
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- Nov 2008
- Kendo, JJJ
Battlefields thanks for your perspective and I also need to update my style field since JJJ has been replaced with Judo and BJJ a while ago. I have never trained taekwondo and my striking training is limited to a few boxing and kickboxing classes. I had a kendo instructor who also taught TKD and did not have a single black belt in his kids class (he used a different belt and his school competed often). I even saw some parents leave angry when he didn't give out a yellow belt because he said the kid needed more work. I also know a girl who was a silver medalist in the jr. olympics and her school according to the other people I knew who trained had a reputation for hard contact (and she hit freaking hard even though she was tiny). So maybe my impressions of TKD are skewed.
Even in your example the actual instructor was the one making sense. Some 16 year old telling you your doing it wrong is like the new blue belt in BJJ that tries to correct everyone because he is young and has a blue belt, that kind of thing happens in BJJ all the time. My point though is that comparing two completely different styles doesn't really make sense. I will never say TKD sucks because I am not qualified to explain to someone why it sucks. If the problem is with the people is it really about TKD? Even your example had a qualified instructor telling you to ignore unqualified advice.
Apparently you should have quit and yes I have known of TKD guys who want to tell people their Judo sucks only to get smashed, but again this is a personality problem to me and not necessarily a technical one. If someone with an extensive boxing or kickboxing background wants to rip it apart technically I have no problem with that since I have no ability to judge either way and will take their word for it. I just feel it would be ignorant of me to say any striking art sucks because I grapple. I will let the strikers handle the TKD issue, and I think grappling should stay out of it.