Thread: Are TMA's Becoming Obsolete?
4/03/2012 7:16am, #11
TMAs are on the decline, but this may be cyclical. Some points:
-The kids provide the next wave, and I can tell you with certainty that the ninjas are resurgent. Since Lego came out with their new Ninjago sets and animated series it is all the 6-10yo talk about.
-UFC is apparently trying to turn itself into the WWE, and as it morphs into a carefully scripted spectacle it will begin to lose the credibility of "real fighting". This will create a "reality vacuum" that TMAs will expand into.
-Hollywood loves the "magic" of TMAs, so there will be never ending free promotion for them.
-There may be even more "evolved" methods of training beyond MMA....:)
4/03/2012 7:27am, #12-UFC is apparently trying to turn itself into the WWE, and as it morphs into a carefully scripted spectacle it will begin to lose the credibility of "real fighting". This will create a "reality vacuum" that TMAs will expand into.
4/03/2012 7:54am, #13
4/03/2012 8:01am, #14
4/03/2012 8:04am, #15
Martial" basically means related to war, the military, or warriors. An art which is better suited to a warrior is the better martial art. Coincidentally, the world's militaries train their soldiers in unarmed fighting based largely in sport derived arts.
If we used the word "fighting" instead of "martial," it would demystify and clarify the argument.
4/03/2012 8:12am, #16
4/03/2012 8:22am, #17
OP's argument is a false dichotomy in my opinion. It's not MMA vs. TMA, rather it's martial arts practiced in the spirit of "aliveness" vs. "dead pattern" arts that are not.
There are more than a few TMA's, like Kyokushin and Kung Fu arts that participate in San Shou and Sanda, that are trained in an alive manner.
As more and more practitioners of these TMA arts enter the MMA fishbowl, like GSP and Cung Le, more MMA-centric people will seek these arts out.
Please note, I'm well aware that both GSP and Cung Le crosstrained. I'm talking about exposure and the survival of TMA's in modern times.
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4/03/2012 8:39am, #18
Plenty of MMAers also enjoy their TMA...I Can think of quite a few on this board, as well as quite a few UFC veterans. IF they don't constantly defend or try to validate their TMA, there is a good reason: they don't need to. Go read the TMA forum stickies to understand why. "Stop Crying: We've heard it all before.", etc.
Did electronic music suddenly make classical music obsolete? DO people still train classical piano or guitar as well as digital mixing? Of course they do.
TMAs are not going anywhere. **** man, my school is TINY and we only have enough students to pay the rent, but my instructor is good enough that I'd still just travel to his house to train with him, whether the school stayed open or not.
Sifu trains me in Hung Ga the same way he'd train me in Marine close combat or khaybar techniques if I asked him. Sometimes we discuss herbal analgesic liniments...talk about traditional!
Traditional does not, and never will mean "bad" or "going out of style", no matter how many people think that'd be a good thing. The best thing for everyone is just to keep fighting, mixing, fighting, mixing...many TMAs formed exactly that way.
Heart and training right, with the right instructor, matters a hell of a lot more than what letter you put in front of your "MA".
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4/03/2012 8:41am, #19
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TMA is going nowhere. (Yes, I'm really talking about McDojos or dead training or what have you. I'm going to say TMA to save time.) If you hang out at Bullshido every day, or at an MMA gym or whatever, it's easy to start believing everyone understands what you understand about martial arts. But they don't.
The kids alone are enough to keep TMA schools thriving. For most of their parents, it's no different than sending their kids to soccer practice. It's just an activity to "build self esteem and confidence" and soforth. They don't give a **** if it sucks for fighting. Hell, a lot of them probably don't even realize there are any martial arts at all that suck for fighting.
I think what TMA is losing is the young men in their prime who really want to learn how to fight. Those are the guys who fill up the BJJ schools, MMA schools, boxing gyms, etc. But they can get by without them. They just can't get by without them if they care about having the type of reputation that comes with producing real fighters.
4/03/2012 9:07am, #20
Please note, I'm well aware that both GSP and Cung Le crosstrained.
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