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  1. tgace is online now
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    I don't know what COIN....whatever is.

    And if I had a nickel for every parent who called HQ because they actually believed Sonny's version of events.....a field sobriety check gets translated into a broom handle session in a NYPD closet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patfromlogan View Post
    My non white son was illegally searched, fondled, hassled, thrown over the hood of his car last year. I did go to the police and complained... And that got me far.

    COINTELPRO is gone, right...

    Oh, sorry if one in Hawaiian, Tongan, Chinese, Mexican then you don't have to worry about racism. Only Blacks have to worry, now I understand
    Thanks, it explains why you like the n-word so much, but bring up the redherring of "black racism is the only one that counts."

    Bigot.
    Enjoy your appeal to age authority and other hackneyed bullshit. "I try not to call names" you fucking liar.
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    Oversimplified, yes, but it all comes down to our existing bias, which can be easily observed from a simple test like this:

    http://ccsn.uchicago.edu/Studies/ShooterEffect/

    To give you an example, I responded "correctly" in all the trials, but unconscious bias can be seen in my reaction time. I was faster to shoot an armed black man and quicker to dismiss an unarmed white man.
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    LOL that was fun. I got shot twice.
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    The oversimplification is that it takes the context of the situation out of the equation.

    -You are sitting in a coffee shop and a person walks up to you.

    -you are approaching a person who you were told is an armed robbery suspect.

    Now push the little web page button.

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    You are assuming I didn't do that in the first place. In that you are wrong, you know how I am, I took it in context to the thread. Remember, I don't have your job I am not going to react like you think.
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    A better test would be to have the subject wired to a taser and get zapped when they are wrong. But even that won't approximate the fear of death.

    Teats like this take fear and real world stress out of the equation.

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    I agree and that can be said from both sides.
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    A better test would be to have the subject wired to a taser and get zapped when they are wrong. But even that won't approximate the fear of death.

    Teats like this take fear and real world stress out of the equation.

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    This is true. To some degree, performing poorly mitigates that, but not enough. Unfortunately, thanks to a lot of studies in the 50s, 60s and 70s, there's this thing called the IRB that can make it tough to directly study some of these things. It might be possible to get a test close to that level through a combination of tazing, drugs that increase anxiety and some sort of other consequence for a 'bad shoot', but the chances of getting that past the IRB are slim to none. You also lose chances to change your decisions in the drawing and firing of the weapon.

    If it makes you feel better, LEOs and military tend to do better than laymen on these kinds of test until they're primed for violence: You're told that you are approaching an possible armed robbery suspect. Then false positives go way up compared to laymen.

    So my question for you is this: how would you expect the results of the test to change if fear of death were somehow added?
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    If you were approaching a possible armed robbery suspect vs a person standing in line at a convenience store which do you think you would be more likely to shoot...justified or otherwise? White, black red or otherwise?



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