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    It all depends on the instructor. Mine has belt promotion for every rank, and allows for henka of the original technique. The techniques (kata) are the equivalent to kumite (pre-arranged sparring) in karate. Also, we're expected to simulate the attacker when a technique is being done to us, as this is "two-way training". The uke gives a full proper attack, and reacts as if the counterattacks are being done full-force. Obviously, we are not allowed to blast each other full-force (as we are taught to go for vitals, and this is why we don't "spar"). Here's a link to my dojo: bujinkanindy.com (And yes, it is worth the 30-mile round-trip I have to take on-bike twice a week.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by budomike View Post
    Obviously, we are not allowed to blast each other full-force (as we are taught to go for vitals, and this is why we don't "spar").
    And this is why you will not be taken seriously by most members of this forum, and mocked by a few. If you can not practice your deadly against someone who is trying not to get deadlied then how deadly will your deadly be when you actually have to deadly someone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by budomike View Post
    It all depends on the instructor. Mine has belt promotion for every rank, and allows for henka of the original technique. The techniques (kata) are the equivalent to kumite (pre-arranged sparring) in karate. Also, we're expected to simulate the attacker when a technique is being done to us, as this is "two-way training". The uke gives a full proper attack, and reacts as if the counterattacks are being done full-force. Obviously, we are not allowed to blast each other full-force (as we are taught to go for vitals, and this is why we don't "spar"). Here's a link to my dojo: bujinkanindy.com (And yes, it is worth the 30-mile round-trip I have to take on-bike twice a week.)
    *sigh*

    At least you're doing the right thing by reading the stickied threads, but you really should lurk on the site for awhile before posting. If you had, you might understand why the site's preference is for arts that practice with Aliveness.

    Aliveness is such an important concept for this site, and so many ninjers do search for these old threads, that perhaps it would be worthwhile to post these videos here:







    It really would help if n00b ninjers visiting saw these vids and understood the criticism of the art is that it (typically) doesn't include training with Alive methods before they posted in defence of their art.

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    By sparring, I meant, you know, common sparring. (By common, I mean common in the sense that it is completely freestyle sparring.) We still do sparring, but that sparring consists of the attacker making a predestined attack, and you, the defender, trying to execute the technique, or a variation, to control the situation. The attacker is, of course, allowed to respond realistically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budomike View Post
    We still do sparring, but that sparring consists of the attacker making a predestined attack, and you, the defender, trying to execute the technique, or a variation, to control the situation.
    This is not sparring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judojeff View Post
    If you can not practice your deadly against someone who is trying not to get deadlied then how deadly will your deadly be when you actually have to deadly someone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by budomike View Post
    By sparring, I meant, you know, common sparring. (By common, I mean common in the sense that it is completely freestyle sparring.) We still do sparring, but that sparring consists of the attacker making a predestined attack, and you, the defender, trying to execute the technique, or a variation, to control the situation. The attacker is, of course, allowed to respond realistically.
    How handy that must be.

    I would be a world class boxer if I could always know what my opponent was going to attack me with...

    <<shakes head>>

    I've been there, thinking that all of that training actually works. Hundreds of self defense techniques trained for hours against compliant opponents.

    Do yourself a favor - head to a boxing gym - spar a little. Test yourself against opponents who you don't know when and how will attack you. It'll open your eyes. I found out how much I suck at fighting. Seriously. A solid chunner would probably rock me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budomike View Post
    By sparring, I meant, you know, common sparring. (By common, I mean common in the sense that it is completely freestyle sparring.) We still do sparring, but that sparring consists of the attacker making a predestined attack, and you, the defender, trying to execute the technique, or a variation, to control the situation. The attacker is, of course, allowed to respond realistically.
    You didn't watch any of the three videos I posted, did you? Not even the short one? Because, otherwise, you'd know why this statement is wrong.



    Or you're trolling. OK.

    So, if you really want to drink down that Booj Kool-Aid... Be my guest.

    But please remember these words of wisdom one of the most-experienced Booj American shihan passed on to me:

    Kata have nothing to do with combat; nothing. They are all about teaching you to move your own body correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budomike View Post
    By sparring, I meant, you know, common sparring. (By common, I mean common in the sense that it is completely freestyle sparring.) We still do sparring, but that sparring consists of the attacker making a predestined attack, and you, the defender, trying to execute the technique, or a variation, to control the situation. The attacker is, of course, allowed to respond realistically.
    The fact you think this is real training is the reason this FAQ exists

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    Q. I heard Hatsumi's Sokeships aren't as clean cut as he claims. What is the story there?

    A. Takamatsu's successor was a man named Ueno Takashi. This happened long before Hatsumi heard of Takamatsu. As some point later Hatsumi traveled to train with Takamatsu and was sent to Ueno's dojo. Shortly after, Ueno kicked Hatsumi out of his school. Hatsumi as this point went back to pay for private lessons with Takamatsu. After Takamatsu died, Hatsumi claimed that Takamatsu removed Ueno as his successor and placed Hatsumi there, a claim never confirmed by Takamatsu and not recognized by anyone other than Hatsumi and his students. Ueno later on passed his Sokeship to Kaminaga Shimegi who teaches the arts today. Lineage wise and scroll wise Kaminaga Shimegi holds the Sokeships, Hatsumi scrolls remain unverified.
    Is this still true?

    Hatsumi still hasn't verified his scrolls? I'm sure you guys followed the discussion on Hatsumi on YouTube, where Anthony Cummings, Buffon Sarotobi/ Buffon Masa, and others questioned Hatsumi's lineage. They all seem to have retracted their videos, and no is questioning Hatsumi anymore. Why did everyone stop? Has there been some big news on the Bujinkans history?
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