Convicted Rapist Headlining Card

**Jim_Jude** · Posted On: 3/18/2012 6:21am

Originally Posted by Sam Browning

He beat her over the head with a bottle before the rape, then they tossed her in a dumpster. That hardly counts as "a little roughed up".

LOL @ all of the hooker defenders round here. :Hehehe:

**Shawarma** · Posted On: 3/18/2012 6:37am

Yeah, what a bunch of fags. Everybody knows prostitutes aren't real human beings and don't feel pain or sadness.

To clarify my previous point: **** you.

**battheo** · Posted On: 3/18/2012 7:18am

I hope that ****'s on a list somewhere and is being watched.

That said, the justice system has done it's work, and he shouldn't be disadvantaged professionally because of it (IMO).

I'm not saying that the all should be forgiven and forgotten, but losing three and a half years of your life is a punishment. He should be given the chance to demonstrate he's learnt the error of his ways by working productively.

Hope he gets the **** beaten out of him though.

**Hiro Protagonist** · Posted On: 3/18/2012 7:50am

No.
Violence against women, and sexual offenses in general are of a special nature. It's about enjoying the suffering of others.

Such a person should not have a place, anywhere.
There is legal justice, and there's moral justice.

Unless the guy has become a fucking saint, **** him, and **** Jim Jude for speaking on his behalf.

**battheo** · Posted On: 3/18/2012 8:53am

Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist

No.
Violence against women, and sexual offenses in general are of a special nature. It's about enjoying the suffering of others.

Such a person should not have a place, anywhere.
There is legal justice, and there's moral justice.

Unless the guy has become a fucking saint, **** him, and **** Jim Jude for speaking on his behalf.

I can sympathise with that, and I'll openly confess that I would find it very difficult to live in accordance with my own words.

But, what would you suggest? Would you suggest that people like this are ostracised? It's all very well to make grand statements like "such a person should not have a place, anywhere. There is legal justice, and there's moral justice." But I'm not sure that translates very well into reality. What does that even mean in practise? Are you advocating vigilante killing? Because suggesting that there is another 'non-legal' justice that must be served, and that will result in him not having a 'place, anywhere' sounds like you are.

The law is not justice. It's a set of social constraints designed to uphold order in society. But it attempts to approximate justice. And if you want it to work, you have to abide by it, even when you're at odds with it (yeah, I wouldn't necessarily go as far as Socrates but, you know...)

In reality, we're safer with these people inside the system than left outside of it. And further more, when a person has done their time they should be allowed back into society. I'm not saying they should have the same freedoms and privacy as everyone else (I advocate surveillance) but they should be given a fair shot at life after they've served their punishment. Young people make mistakes, and the 'normal' person has the capability to commit horrible evil. He should be given a chance at rehabilitation.

I realise this leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, and I find it difficult to accept. It's nonetheless correct.

**WoodyCorpus** · Posted On: 3/18/2012 9:33am

I'm very ambivalent towards this... No, actually I'm not. A number of girls I know or have known have been raped and the second hand pain I've felt has scarred me for life, even though it's nothing compared to what said girls must have endured. Rape concictions are laughable at best, and a few years in prison does NOT repay the damage done.
So let this guy into a cage, let him get a fair beating, and let him rot in his own private hell.

I will now gladly take that cheese with my whine.

**Matt Phillips** · Posted On: 3/18/2012 11:54am

Originally Posted by Shawarma

Yeah, what a bunch of fags. Everybody knows prostitutes aren't real human beings and don't feel pain or sadness.

To clarify my previous point: **** you.

Couldn't have put it any better. You don't put someone's daughter in a dumpster.

**Basagulero** · Posted On: 3/18/2012 11:58am

This is appalling.

He and his buddy should've gotten life.

**judokarl** · Posted On: 3/18/2012 12:24pm

Originally Posted by battheo

But, what would you suggest? Would you suggest that people like this are ostracised? It's all very well to make grand statements like "such a person should not have a place, anywhere. There is legal justice, and there's moral justice." But I'm not sure that translates very well into reality. What does that even mean in practise? Are you advocating vigilante killing?

The law is not justice. It's a set of social constraints designed to uphold order in society. But it attempts to approximate justice. And if you want it to work, you have to abide by it, even when you're at odds with it (yeah, I wouldn't necessarily go as far as Socrates but, you know...)

In reality, we're safer with these people inside the system than left outside of it. And further more, when a person has done their time they should be allowed back into society. I'm not saying they should have the same freedoms and privacy as everyone else (I advocate surveillance) but they should be given a fair shot at life after they've served their punishment. Young people make mistakes, and the 'normal' person has the capability to commit horrible evil. He should be given a chance at rehabilitation.

I shortened my quote of you to the points you said that I would like to adress. I hope you don't mind. My main argument for them not having him headline their card is that it looks bad on their company. How many sponsors are happy that the front man of the business they have their logo on is a Rapist? While the man may have done the time the District Attorney gave him make no mistake the severity of his charges were greatly lowered for his assistance in giving up his friend and for saving the victim and the DA the headache of a trial.

The man was part of not just the woman's rape, But Kidnapping. Add that with the fact that he had violated a probation order in the execution of this crime he should be serving more than 2 years. I am probably not as draconian in my opinion when it comes to sex crimes as some of the members here who know someone who has been a victim, or who have young daughters, but Kidnapping, rape, and failing to comply with a probation order is a bigger deal than 2 years. His chance of relapse is great and I would not want to be the owner of the promotion he's in when that bombshell explodes.

**battheo** · Posted On: 3/18/2012 1:33pm

Originally Posted by judokarl

I shortened my quote of you to the points you said that I would like to adress. I hope you don't mind. My main argument for them not having him headline their card is that it looks bad on their company. How many sponsors are happy that the front man of the business they have their logo on is a Rapist? While the man may have done the time the District Attorney gave him make no mistake the severity of his charges were greatly lowered for his assistance in giving up his friend and for saving the victim and the DA the headache of a trial.

The man was part of not just the woman's rape, But Kidnapping. Add that with the fact that he had violated a probation order in the execution of this crime he should be serving more than 2 years. I am probably not as draconian in my opinion when it comes to sex crimes as some of the members here who know someone who has been a victim, or who have young daughters, but Kidnapping, rape, and failing to comply with a probation order is a bigger deal than 2 years. His chance of relapse is great and I would not want to be the owner of the promotion he's in when that bombshell explodes.

2 years? I thought he was sentenced to 3 and a half, I may have missed something.

I agree as to the severity of the crime, also that he's a social threat (and should be kept under close watch by the relevant authorities).

I also think that, as difficult as it is, offenders should be given a fair chance at rehabilitation, and that further punishment at the hands of society is likely to reinforce anti-social, criminal, behaviour, rather than prevent it.

Again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished (for the record, I agree that 2 years is too short a sentence for the crime committed), and I'm also not saying he should be left free to re-offend. Just that social justice is a matter that should be decided by the courts.

Yeah, as to the business thing, it's not really a great interest to me, but I can't see it hurting the promotion. I've certainly been wrong before, incidentally. But, I wouldn't be surprised if lots of fans turned in to watch the rapist take a beating... he'd just be an IRL heel to a lot of them.

To be fair, I'll probly drop this now, as I've made my position clear and I don't want to imply that his behaviour is defensible. With any luck the girl herself has recovered from the ordeal.