Thread: Zen in Sports
3/23/2012 2:06pm, #41
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^something being normal does not make it uninteresting for science. The question is why you have to do it so often, while e.g. some savants do it once and can do it the same way forever.
If those mechanics are more thouroughly researched, they could be optimized, which could be kind of awesome (e.g. mastering piano in five minutes).
But since the brain is a highly complex system, chances are that external methods will do more harm then good. In light of that, the (re-)research of psychological methods (in the widest sense) can be a useful approach.
3/23/2012 3:14pm, #42
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I recommend Zen Body-Being by Peter Ralston. It's good stuff.
3/23/2012 8:12pm, #43
That was a bit...okay, a lot smart alecky of me. Meh. I didn't intend to stomp all over anyone else's deeply held beliefs, it's just that all this talk of Zen, altered brain states, and meditative trances seems like leftover hippy balderdash and chicanery to my perhaps too logical and rooted in the mundane Western mind.
I have always believed what made fighting styles like boxing and wrestling superior to many of the Eastern styles was their focus on teaching the student to box and wrestle instead of providing him with vague and contradictory statements that he must ponder on to progress. "When you seek it, you will never find it, but when you do not search for it, it is always there" is a wonderful description of my relationship with the TV remote, but I fail to see how it can improve my sweeps from half guard.
Not to mention I always read this things with a little gremlin on my shoulder hissing "Why is it always Zen Buddhism and fighting? Why not Catholicism and fighting? Or Islam and Fighting? Or Fighting and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?"
3/23/2012 10:04pm, #44
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3/23/2012 11:59pm, #45
“Zen does not confuse spirituality with thinking about God while one is peeling potatoes.
Zen spirituality is just to peel the potatoes.”
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3/24/2012 12:04am, #46
Let's not confuse athletic focus with zazen, or Bodhi will be forced to beat us. Not that that's a bad thing.
A person experiencing Ch'an scores no points, forgets the game, and wins their freedom.
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3/24/2012 12:18am, #48
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3/24/2012 12:30am, #49
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3/24/2012 3:32am, #50
My main paper deals a lot more with Flow states and fleshes out a deeper level of WMA training and practice still providing some pretty cool cognitive effects or ASCs even though no one stands around going "do hip escapes until you are mindless, then the hip escape will become you."
Now I've done no full research into Zen, because I wanted to keep it focused more on these flow states etc within a Western viewpoint, which was the goal :). But why the focus? Because a lot of the Abrahamic traditions don't openly deal with meditative thought processes, and altered states outside of quite full on aspects (visions and all that jazz).
If you guys are keen, I'd be happy to post the main work. I'm not sure if I should split it off from this thread though? I've been contemplating for a while submitting it as an article to the site. Deadmeat had a good read of it, had some nice things to say, I think it would stimulate further discussion and I'm interested to see practitioners views on it as well (outside of the people I've talked to at training).
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