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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    No it doesn't, otherwise every street fight in history would have justified deadly self defense.
    No, you're thinking in bullshit schoolyard terms. The rules change when there are two willing participants or when the shooter instigated the fight. I can't come up and slap the **** out of you, then shoot you when you start beating my ass.

    But if I'm minding my own business and you attack me with your fists and I can't get away (in my state I have to retreat if possible if I'm not on my own property) and I think I'm going to die, I can shoot you.

    Furthermore, in my state and many others if you are beating the **** out of someone else and they're justified in using deadly force to protect themselves, then I'm also justified in using deadly force to protect them. Now, if I make a mistake and it turns out they instigated the fight or deadly force wasn't justified for some other reason and I shoot you - oops, I'm fucked.

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    Ok let's look at this from a different perspective, is there anyone here who can honestly say they believe that if their roles were reversed and a rich white guy had been shot by a black kid, do any of really think the black kid wouldn't be in jail right now??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    Ok let's look at this from a different perspective, is there anyone here who can honestly say they believe that if their roles were reversed and a rich white guy had been shot by a black kid, do any of really think the black kid wouldn't be in jail right now??
    Please shut the **** up now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    Ok let's look at this from a different perspective, is there anyone here who can honestly say they believe that if their roles were reversed and a rich white guy had been shot by a black kid, do any of really think the black kid wouldn't be in jail right now??
    Considering the kid was 17 and the concealed carry laws in Florida require you to be 21 to get a permit, I'd say the kid would be in jail, yeah.

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    I wonder if Florida police will get a call in a few days from a Mr. Martin about a suspicious person on the estate.

    I wonder if they'll get there in time.

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    okay, see, it's like this

    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

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    Quote Originally Posted by CNagy View Post
    Considering the kid was 17 and the concealed carry laws in Florida require you to be 21 to get a permit, I'd say the kid would be in jail, yeah.
    Since you decided to go with the "I'm a fucking retard" reply option, I'll be more specific. I'm referring to the fact that I think there is a double standard when it comes to prosecution of crimes. So I'll change it to mean a 21 year old black male. Happy now??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil View Post
    Please shut the **** up now.
    Well I'll give you credit at least you said please. But I don't do request so I will just hope you get syphilis and die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    Well I'll give you credit at least you said please. But I don't do request so I will just hope you get syphilis and die.
    Syphilis is for minorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    Since you decided to go with the "I'm a fucking retard" reply option, I'll be more specific. I'm referring to the fact that I think there is a double standard when it comes to prosecution of crimes. So I'll change it to mean a 21 year old black male. Happy now??
    Maybe next time think a bit more before you post. I've seen more than a few reports that clearly show the double standard in prosecution, statistically, when it comes to matters of race. The thing is, you can't attribute that in any individual instance until we have the entire story, which we do not. So yes, I did choose the "you're a fucking retard" reply option.

    As for my opinion of what we know so far, I say lock the guy away for as long as possible with whatever charges the prosecution could bring against him. The idea of neighborhood watch is observe and report only, with citizen intervention being only as a result of witnessing a felony in progress. It is sounding like the guy put himself in a position where he felt he had to use his 9mm to resolve it. So **** him for being a cowboy about it. New information could very well change my opinion, though.

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