4/02/2012 1:17pm, #651
That's been my point for a while....a dead body and a confession...we're so beyond probable cause. Come on. I get the technicalities and logistics of it all, but a lot of that is just being apologetic for the Sanford PD and assuming they did everything 100% by the book. Right?
So many people claim self defense after an arrest for killing someone...how many of them are just let go when all indications point to them being the aggressor?
Feel good arrest? Not really...I view Zimmerman as a threat to the good people of Florida and apparently so do they.
He was not even part of Neighborhood Watch. He was nuts, he was self-appointed. And he's still licensed to carry.
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4/02/2012 1:29pm, #652
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Where do you get off saying that he was "nuts?"
You're viewing the evidence very selectively and are imputing motives and actions that just are not supportable from the evidence.
There is no evidence that Zimmerman was an aggressor in any legal sufficient way. Following is not aggression. He may have been once the altercation started, but there is just no evidence.
It's more than just Zimmerman's story:
- The police report says that Zimmerman's back was wet and grass-stained, and that his head was bloody.
- Someone called for help, and at least one eyewitness said that it was Zimmerman calling out for help.
- It's unclear whether and to what extent Zimmerman was injured, but there are reports that he was. Although not apparent to us, the police certainly know. (The cleaned up ABC video shows a gash on Zimmerman's head, but we do not know if it was a result of the altercation or an old wound). A neighbor says he was bruised and bandaged the next day.
- Zimmerman says that Martin was on top of him, beating him and that he feared for his life.
- The police know or will know whether Martin was on top based on the angle of bullet entry
4/02/2012 1:34pm, #653
4/02/2012 1:37pm, #654
Devil poisons his own well in every thread.
I was replying to tgace's comment.
We'll see what happens...fucking Florida...
I didn't remember that info being posted.
You both keep posting links that support your position only. Not once have you looked at anything that refutes your own hyperbolic links.
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4/02/2012 1:42pm, #655
Ok Fake just called "Full Retard" on me so here we go:
Now add to that Zimmerman's history of conflicts with police.
Use your brain, I know it's tough for a lawyer.
Whose blood, hmm?
He feared for his life, but he had the gun?
He's after the "fucking punks/coons" but he fears for his life?
He trawls the neighborhood for bandits armed with a weapon, but he fears for his life?
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4/02/2012 2:10pm, #656
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The standard in criminal cases is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, not more likely than not.
No, dead body and a gun does not necessarily equal crime. I know that logic is hard for you, but at least try.
So because he's concerned about his neighborhood (where there had been a number of burglaries recently) and has a concealed carry permit he's crazy? He called the police, which strongly suggests that he wasn't out to murder anyone. Every adult that I know in Florida (about 15 people) has a concealed carry permit and most of them carry on their person or in their vehicle. Seemingly everyone is armed there. Martin was tatted up, had a grille, there's evidence he was a small-time dealer and wanna-be thug, he was suspended from school a number of times and, apparently, he recently "swung on" a bus driver. Does that make him a violent thug who had it coming? Of course not, but it's as valid as your argument that Zimmerman was "crazy" based on inference and dubious circumstantial evidence.
Okay, so there is a dispute (now) about whose voice that is. There wasn't at the time of the incident or in the police interviews. And the report says that Zimmerman was overheard by the officer to say that "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me."
If Martin was on top of Zimmerman, it would tend to corroborate Zimmerman's story. If not, he's a liar. If he's lying about this part of the story, then probable cause almost certainly would exist.
If Martin's head was being bashed on concrete like he says, and there were injuries consistent with that claim, it would tend to support his claim that he feared for his life. The same is true of the broken nose. Again, no injuries and he's probably lying, which would lead to arrest.
The police report says that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head, which is consistent with his account. You can read it here: http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2...7-29132322.pdf
4/02/2012 2:16pm, #657
You always brag about your internet usage and how great you are, but you refuse to do any research.
Originally Posted by I am da best at hyperbole
The letter says that on the night of the shooting, State Attorney Norm Wolfinger and Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee met and chose to overrule the lead homicide investigator, who said that Zimmerman should be arrested for manslaughter.
Make sure you read the article because it sounds more like "hey we were on the same side, let my son go" and the Police Chief and DA waffled.
This is an interesting one as well:
The letter doesn't doesn't offer any caveats regarding the allegations, including reporting by theGrio, via an anonymous source, that Wolfinger traveled from his home on the night of the shooting, after 7:30 p.m. on a Sunday night, to confer with the police chief and the investigations supervisor, Robert O'Connor.
"More poignantly, Mr. Serino filed an affidavit stating that he did not find Zimmerman's statements credible in light of the circumstances and facts surround the shooting," wrote Crump.
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4/02/2012 2:20pm, #658
This is either a massive coincidence or yeah, suggestive of aggravated murder.
Oops! I thought I was killing a gang member but he's only got Skittles...oh **** oh ****....here they come...."HEY WHY DIDN"T YOU GUYZ HALP ME OUT?!?!"
You lawyers make me laugh. I'm trained to deal with your kind.
Lawyers, cops, and mods calling me weaselly... *tears* /unsubscribe /unsubscribe /unsubscribe
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4/02/2012 2:32pm, #659
4/02/2012 2:33pm, #660
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So he's hunting criminals now? You have this fantasy in your head but there's no real evidence to support it. He's got a gun, sure. But many people in Florida carry all the time and it was legal for him to do so. There's certainly nothing to suggest that he, for example, saw Martin and then got his gun. And, no, following Martin does not suggest to a reasonable person that Zimmerman was intending to do something. Remember, Zimmerman had called the police to report a suspicious person--that is simply not consistent with "vigilante" action or "hunting criminals."
It's possible that Zimmerman was lying about calling out--but he was corroborated at the time by an eyewitness.