4/02/2012 11:23am, #631
Has the "special prosecutor" taken Zimmerman into custody yet???
4/02/2012 11:25am, #632
Lord knows, police have kept people in jail for YEARS while building a case against them.
4/02/2012 11:31am, #633
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4/02/2012 11:32am, #634
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Sometimes arrest is made so that they can do a search incident to the arrest (e.g. vehicle) or more easily obtain a search warrant.
And, as you noted, many rights and restrictions apply when they arrest. He would have been Mirandized and could have (and perhaps should have) invoked his right to counsel. Had he not agreed to come to the station for a statement, they very well may have arrested him.
Pro tip: never say anything to the police if you've been involved anything. Sorry, tgace, I know you're in law enforcement and it makes your job harder, but that's just how it is for civilians in our society.
4/02/2012 11:40am, #635
Knowing that the police have photos (regardless of what the photos show) trumps the "video shows no blood," argument, imo, which is why I asked. But, you're right, such knowledge does nothing more than settle an internet argument.
Man, I hope this crap dies down after the grand jury. It won't, but I hope it does.
4/02/2012 11:51am, #636
Your point about arrests is exactly what I think the issue is here. People seem to believe that an arrest is some sort of official statement or punishment. All it means is that proceedings have begun. If you are not ready to proceed...especially on a felony case...many times it's wiser to hold off on arrest till you have what you need.
The DA is the official who will be trying the case so you (LE) do your best to give them what they say they need. If they say "hold off on charges" till you can gather the statements/evidence they want...thats what you do.
If Zimmerman HAD been arrested that night, he spends maybe a day or two in lockup and then hes out on bond. Big deal, is he a flight risk?
Even with an arrest, we would be right where we are today and all that would have changed would be LE having a more difficult time collecting what they needed because the offender would be under counsel.
People think an arrest MEANS something. A conviction is the only thing that MEANS anything.
4/02/2012 12:21pm, #637
4/02/2012 12:22pm, #638
I'm not the only one who doesn't think Florida LEF processed things correctly.
Plenty of people in authority DO and ARE going through a big review of that right now, so whatever.
4/02/2012 12:25pm, #639
4/02/2012 12:26pm, #640
For anyone interested.
Traditionally, grand juries served as a shield between unjust prosecution by the state and the individual. Grand juries serve dual functions. The grand jury's primary role is to determine whether sufficient evidence exists to justify indicting an accused individual.
1 To make such determinations, a grand jury also serves as an investigating body with subpoena powers.2 In Florida, a grand jury indictment is required only to try a person for a capital offense; i.e., one where the death penalty may be given.3 Otherwise, the state attorney has concurrent authority to file a formal accusation of the commission of a crime (an "information").4 The information is used routinely to charge individuals in Florida. In addition to capital cases, grand juries often are utilized for controversial cases such as those involving alleged wrongdoing by public officials.Unlike the trial jury, however, the grand jury simply makes a predicate determination of whether there is probable cause that a crime has been committed and that the person accused committed the crime. In contrast to the trial jury's strict standard of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt,11 this probable cause standard has been defined as "a reasonable ground of suspicion supported by circumstances strong enough in themselves to warrant a cautious person in the belief that the named suspect is guilty of the offense charged."12 In essence, the grand jury merely initiates a criminal prosecution.