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    Now as far as Florida legalizing murder, well if the only excuse and proof required to shoot someone is southparks "he's comin right for us", then yes I would say it's an accurate description.
    By definition Florida can not legalize murder.
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    How does stand your ground equal a foot chase? Quit trolling Beerdgetde.
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    What leads you to believe he detained him?
    They got out of the car and into the grass somehow, did they not? So either the teen attempted a barehanded carjacking, or the older guy got out of his car and spoke to him. Occham's razor says it's probably the latter. Remember, even if the kid told him to **** himself and threw his skittles in the window, the old man doesn't have the right to shoot him.

    Why is the kid under any special duty to retreat as he walks along the street? If an old guy pulled up to me in a car and wanted to know what I was doing on the sidewalk, I'd tell him to **** himself, it's a free country.

    edit: It's interesting that the "old" person here is 28. Not exactly clint eastwood in grand torinio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache View Post
    They got out of the car and into the grass somehow, did they not? So either the teen attempted a barehanded carjacking, or the older guy got out of his car and spoke to him. Occham's razor says it's probably the latter. Remember, even if the kid told him to **** himself and threw his skittles in the window, the old man doesn't have the right to shoot him.

    Why is the kid under any special duty to retreat as he walks along the street? If an old guy pulled up to me in a car and wanted to know what I was doing on the sidewalk, I'd tell him to **** himself, it's a free country.

    edit: It's interesting that the "old" person here is 28. Not exactly clint eastwood in grand torinio.
    Not sure what else you're looking for me to say. I already acknowledged the foot chase makes it a different ballgame.
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    Not sure what else you're looking for me to say. I already acknowledged the foot chase makes it a different ballgame.
    I'm also wondering how the fact that it happened in a gated community, between two residents might change the various obligations to retreat.
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    Florida has the death penalty doesn't it? The way Zimmerman's story is unravelling, he could well get his comeuppance.
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    Oh there is a ton of **** that is going to make this interesting. For me, the least of which is race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache View Post
    I'm also wondering how the fact that it happened in a gated community, between two residents might change the various obligations to retreat.
    A resident and a visitor, apparently. The kid was visiting his father's girlfriend's house.

    I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    Florida has the death penalty doesn't it? The way Zimmerman's story is unravelling, he could well get his comeuppance.
    He may get his comeuppance but I'd be surprised if he gets the death penalty for a spur of the moment shooting. Maybe. Florida does like to execute folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil View Post
    A resident and a visitor, apparently. The kid was visiting his father's girlfriend's house.

    I don't know.
    The entire gated community is private, though, so it has to change notions of who came onto whose property a bit... it makes the guy look more racist to me, as it supports him jumping to the conclusion "Young black guy = obvious interloper"
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