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    Quote Originally Posted by danharr View Post
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    Owlmatt asked a good question, which both you and BFM did the typical "make this unquantifiable thing illegal." I asked you to define it without being subjective. Not only couldn't you do it, you created an entirely different argument while skipping what I quoted from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danharr
    I said my personal prerogative was not to shop at night due to the gun. That's one people can take or leave I'm not a personal defense adviser nor am I trying to convert anyone to my way of doing things. Yes I believe your mind set should change when you carry the power of life and death. This is something any good self defense instructor will tell you and it's as harmless as advising having situational awareness. Not sure about the four people one guy said I said you have to fight well to join the neighborhood watch which I flat out never said and another made an allusion to cowering in fear which I never said either.
    It's only that your reasoning seems flawed. If you're carrying a gun because you believe you may possibly find yourself in a situation - out of your control - which is more dangerous than you're comfortable with...

    I mean, the idea is to NOT change your way of life. If you're carrying and then avoiding your previously regular routine just because you're carrying, maybe you need to re-evaluate. Either you were engaging in inherently dangerous behavior, or you've succumbed to fear.

    If the latter, you're more likely to find yourself staring down a smoking barrel, imho, because logic is not governing your behavior - emotion is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    It's only that your reasoning seems flawed. If you're carrying a gun because you believe you may possibly find yourself in a situation - out of your control - which is more dangerous than you're comfortable with...

    I mean, the idea is to NOT change your way of life. If you're carrying and then avoiding your previously regular routine just because you're carrying, maybe you need to re-evaluate. Either you were engaging in inherently dangerous behavior, or you've succumbed to fear.

    If the latter, you're more likely to find yourself staring down a smoking barrel, imho, because logic is not governing your behavior - emotion is.
    Engaging in dangerous behavior is your chosen interpretation with all due respect. No going to the store at night is not inherently dangerous but I choose not to do it. Road rage is another thing I avoid to avoid escalating the situation. This is an earlier example I gave and don't see how taking precautions can be construed as living in fear.

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    I just realized danharr's entire disconnect.

    Quote Originally Posted by OwlMatt View Post
    What, specifically, did Zimmerman do that you think should be made illegal?
    Quote Originally Posted by danharr View Post
    Like I said he knows he can't resolve an issue with any other means than deadly force. So why not make his act of putting himself in potentially dangerous situations some form of premeditation for violence?
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    Please define "potentially dangerous situation" with ZERO subjective explanations.

    You define this and you need to apply for a police commissioner job opening.
    Quote Originally Posted by danharr View Post
    I think I'll use this situation as my example and really don't see why it would be a can of worms to go there. If you're going to be a neighborhood watch person in a community that plagued by crime. Isn't it reasonable to assume at some point you may have to deal with trouble? If that is a reasonable assumption why would you go into it with the only option being deadly force? So any situation that would cause you to confront dangerous people and require force against them you should have more going for you than a gun.
    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    You have no clue what you are doing do you?

    How dare someone go to the store and notice something, especially when they can't fight.
    I asked you to define a "potentially dangerous situation" and you created a scenario to make your point. My point was, before all of the other sidetracking, define what you are going to make illegal.

    If I flip someone off that's a "potentially dangerous situation."
    If they flip me off that's a "potentially dangerous situation."
    If I investigate a noise, that's a "potentially dangerous situation."
    If I join a neighborhood watch, that's a "potentially dangerous situation."
    If I observe someone in my neighborhood that's a "potentially dangerous situation."
    If I follow someone in my neighborhood that's a "potentially dangerous situation."

    So, the can of worms is how do you make it illegal without being subjective?
    How do you do it in a fair manner when it might be he said/she said?

    You can't. It isn't like speeding where it is 55 anything over is illegal.

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    I don't know guess that's what trials are for and I know that sucks balls considering how much trials cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Work during the day, night shift, sleep all day, work extra hours, run out of something, night person, not a people person, less traffic, smaller crowds, kids, single, wife has a craving, Black Friday sales and you want to.
    Wow I wish I could + rate this more than once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danharr View Post
    Lol and on queue with a troll comment you are but in all seriousness.

    I know what all those words mean, but not in that order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danharr View Post
    Engaging in dangerous behavior is your chosen interpretation with all due respect. No going to the store at night is not inherently dangerous but I choose not to do it. Road rage is another thing I avoid to avoid escalating the situation. This is an earlier example I gave and don't see how taking precautions can be construed as living in fear.
    When I worked midnight shift, I got to experience how much easier it is to shop at 2 in the morning rather than 2 in the afternoon. Walmart is empty, no lines, the stock people are out so everything is available, and you get a front row parking spot. I am way more likely to get into a fight at Walmart in the day time, than I am a night.

    Leaving the house is a "potentially dangerous situation".
    Combatives training log.

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    Are you dildos really honestly trying to compare approaching someone you think is a dangerous person with criminal intent to stop, detain, question or restrain them to shopping or going out for night on the town?

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    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    Are you dildos really honestly trying to compare approaching someone you think is a dangerous person with criminal intent to stop, detain, question or restrain them to shopping or going out for night on the town?

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    My memory is fuzzy on this when exactly did Zimmerman stop, detain, question, or restrain Trayvon??

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