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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    SYG has nothing to do with this other than it's what the media and activists want everyone to think. You should review that case IiF brought up a few pages back, Scott and Cervini. New York has no SYG. Likewise, Florida had concealed carry before SYG.

    And, if the prosecution's case was strong, how do you think SYG would have played a role? Let's assume that there was a clear, high quality video of the entire exchange in evidence - go.
    The media and activists I could care less about, but I am heavily biased towards law enforcement and criminal prosecution. Florida's police and other state's prosecutors have been complaining about SYG for YEARS.

    The reason the defense didn't use SYG is that it didn't apply to THIS case. This case is over.

    But SYG is a problem in many states. This is why I said the debate (if any) should be SYG, which many state's LEF and prosecutors are not happy with.

    SYG laws are flawed, and the debate over them pre-dates Zimmerman entirely. What Zimmerman's case did was bring discussion of SYG to the foreground. I'm a bit disappointed they DIDN'T try to use SYG in some way...it may have led to fixing the law.

    So, the law at least in Florida does still need major revision, because self defense killings and claims tripled after the law was introduced in FL in 2005: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20...round-enacted/

    Here is the Florida Governor's Task Force report that provided the recommendations to the Florida State Senate last year.

    http://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uplo...inalreport.pdf

    which included this:

    “What we’ve discovered is, in a drug deal gone bad, people die, and this is the defense,” Buddy Jacobs, general counsel for the Florida Prosecuting Attorneys Association, told the 18-member panel. “Our conclusion is that this law ought to be repealed. We don’t think it’s a thing we can tweak.”
    http://thegrio.com/2012/04/06/trayvo...law-confusing/
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    Seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by 776.013(2)
    The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if: ... (c)The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    The only way this argument works is if Zimmerman was getting an MRI as he was attacked, there was no way other than his instinct for him to know if he was going to die. There is also no guarantee that Trayvon had any intention of stopping.
    If an MRI machine is needed to determine this, what makes you so sure that his head WAS slammed on the ground like you're saying? The medical evidence doesn't seem to support this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    If an MRI machine is needed to determine this, what makes you so sure that his head WAS slammed on the ground like you're saying? The medical evidence doesn't seem to support this.
    The best witness to address this evidence at the trial was the forensics expert brought by the defense. He testified that the head injuries were produced by multiple impacts, consistent with being banged against the pavement. Nobody could argue a fucking thing he said because they brought the big boss of forensics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil View Post
    The best witness to address this evidence at the trial was the forensics expert bought by the defense.
    Fixed. Did you forget he is a forensics consultant who is paid to testify a certain way? That is what expert witness consultants do for a living.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil View Post
    He testified that the head injuries were produced by multiple impacts, consistent with being banged against the pavement. Nobody could argue a fucking thing he said because they brought the big boss of forensics.
    Not true. Plenty of (medically and forensically) qualified people argued: several other medical professionals who all disagreed with Di Maio whose expertise is in ballistic wounds, the reason the defense team hired him.

    Just like eyewitness testimony was he said/she said, so was the expert witness testimony.

    Di Maio didn't have a tough job...he just had to make the defense's version sound plausible. He didn't have to prove a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Fixed. Did you forget he is a forensics consultant who is paid to testify a certain way? That is what expert witness consultants do for a living.



    Not true. Plenty of (medically and forensically) qualified people argued: several other medical professionals who all disagreed with Di Maio whose expertise is in ballistic wounds, the reason the defense team hired him.

    Just like eyewitness testimony was he said/she said, so was the expert witness testimony.

    Di Maio didn't have a tough job...he just had to make the defense's version sound plausible. He didn't have to prove a thing.

    I didn't forget ****, Captain Retardo.

    He smoked the prosecution and probably won the whole damn case for the defense. Cry about it all you want, but the jurors believed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    If Trayvon Martin had truly been "bashing Zimmerman's skull in" on concrete, as CLAIMED and unproven, he'd have suffered at least a minor concussion, a fracture maybe...

    Nope, just minor, short term injuries: scratches and some blood. So much for evidence of anyone's skull being "bashed in". No evidence of any major impact. No TBI. Nada.

    So, leave the embellishments at home, please. Let's not turn Zimmerman's self defense claim into a claim that Trayvon was ACTUALLY about to murder Zimmerman...Zimmerman BELIEVING he was about to be murdered is what the jury also believed. It's impossible to know what Martin intended, aside from watching the NBA game with his father.

    Believing you are about to be killed, and the other person actually intending to kill you are not the same thing and there is to date zero evidence Martin planned to kill anybody.

    Zimmerman knew he might kill somebody...because he had a gun.
    So, you created the internet, created email, you are a lawyer and now you are a concussion specialist.

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    We could argue wether or not the hits would have fatal all fucking day. The fact remains one guy had the fucked up face and one guy didn't leaving the impression that the H2H part was probably one sided. So the real question is what spawned the take down and resulting GNP. Did Zimmerman draw on Trayvon prompting an attack or was it Trayvon who decided to beat Zimmerman's ass?? Of course we will never really know the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    We could argue wether or not the hits would have fatal all fucking day. The fact remains one guy had the fucked up face and one guy didn't leaving the impression that the H2H part was probably one sided. So the real question is what spawned the take down and resulting GNP. Did Zimmerman draw on Trayvon prompting an attack or was it Trayvon who decided to beat Zimmerman's ass?? Of course we will never really know the answer.
    Don't worry, Rabbit will tell us. He has the real facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Don't worry, Rabbit will tell us. He has the real facts.
    He has concussion specialist friends.

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