7/01/2013 7:46pm, #1721
It does not follow that you get any presumption of innocence when the facts already prove you've killed someone, especially after provoking an encounter with the victim...
George Zimmerman is certainly NOT innocent of killing someone, after all. And he and his team have to prove it was self defense...the prosecution doesn't have to prove very much at all, only that Zimmerman's use of lethal force (which is incontrovertible) was not justified.
This is why the 911 call is so critical...it's what suggests the entire situation was caused by Zimmerman, which undermines his claim of self defense. There is no evidence to date that suggests Martin was looking for an encounter with anyone, or that he had a violent past, unlike Zimmerman who does have such a history.
Zimmerman had a long history of calling E911 (an emergency line) to support every single "suspicious" person he saw, and the last of these calls practically captured him killing one of them. That does not bode well for his defense, in my opinion.
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7/01/2013 7:52pm, #1722
7/01/2013 8:17pm, #1723
7/01/2013 8:32pm, #1724
7/01/2013 9:13pm, #1725
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To get Zimmerman for murder, the prosecution is going to have to prove that Zimmerman was not responding to threat when he shot Martin, and I don't see how that's possible.
7/01/2013 9:28pm, #1726
it is that thing that got Joe's panties in a wad......race.
Cracker was used and argued if it was racial.
People brought up the jury racial make up.
Discussion of race and use of the term during the trial.
Here's where they discuss how cops didn't believe it was racial.
All of this makes race have a role in the trial.
Saying it will always play a role doesn't mean it should. If Joe would have bothered to read the first few pages, before ranting, he would've seen it was basically Devil and I arguing against this **** being racial. I said it was an old mother fucker getting whooped and he shot the young kid beating his ass. I said it was pride not race. The idiot in the picture, white cross bearing guilt wearers and the fucking President of the United States, made this **** racial. It happens all of the time and will never stop, until the old fogies 50+ and up die.
Wait and see. This will come down to whether, as one of the claims is PROFILING, race mattered or not. You know just like 20 years ago and the racial jury nullification that occurred in the OJ trial.
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7/01/2013 9:52pm, #1727
I read the earlier pages and agree with you and Devil. My wadded panties, as you put it, have to do with some here already having convicted Zimmerman. Rabbit and Bobby to name a couple.
On the race ****, it is what it is. ****. I'm talking about the media coverage, apologists, race baiting and the usual suspects, hence the photo of pimp Sharpton posted earlier.
7/01/2013 10:16pm, #1728
"Convicting Zimmerman" is not the same as having an opinion on the evidence at the trial so far, which everyone here has given. I'll admit there is a chance Zimmerman is not guilty and will be found as such...I just think it's highly unlikely.
I won't lie, everything I've read leads me believe a nutty, paranoid guy with a gun killed a kid for no good reason after following him in the dark. I also find it hard to believe this kid was capable of physically killing George Zimmerman. Note that although he was a bit bloody and grassy, George Zimmerman sustained no serious, long term injuries. Not one.
Did you read Zimmerman was training MMA three days a week? They specifically mentioned "ground and pound" at trial. LOL.
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7/01/2013 10:19pm, #1729
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7/01/2013 10:21pm, #1730
No one will listen to the facts IMO. All of this will boil down to race being an issue. I think they over charged him, but I can see the jury being worried for "all da little black chillun" and convicting him. I can also see them saying "look at all the racial pressure it wasn't murder" and finding him not guilty.