7/01/2013 3:50pm, #1701Richard Hornsby, a criminal defense attorney in Orlando, Fla., told msnbc.com. "Second-degree murder requires him to have engaged in an intentional act with ill will, hatred or spite. It means he basically went and was looking to shoot Trayvon Martin."
Notice nowhere here does it say anything about proving who was on top of whom.
7/01/2013 3:56pm, #1702
Really? Being upset is the best evidence? Ha ha hahhahaha you better PRAY that's the states weakest evidence because he's off for sure on that bullshit.
Fucking MANY people are upset when they call 911. Did you really fucking type that bullshit?
7/01/2013 4:08pm, #1703
Most of the other evidence is what happened after Martin is dead. So little of that matters to convict Zimmerman. That's a lot of "he said, she said".
Don't get mad.
7/01/2013 4:12pm, #1704
Now, the 911 calls clearly show Zimmerman is upset right before he shoots and kills Martin. That's the state's best evidence, other than the dead body and the gun. Zimmerman's own words indicate he's angry and looking for a confrontation.
Very few of those callers are both upset AND then shoot someone they were following.
7/01/2013 4:17pm, #1705
A fight did ensue, and Martin might well have been "winning", but if Zimmerman went in angry AND armed, I just think a claim of self defense is kaput.
7/01/2013 4:18pm, #1706
7/01/2013 4:23pm, #1707
I have not been following the trial and I do not have a dog in the fight. My attitude towards the whole incident has been wait and see what comes out at yvotrail as the media fucked a bunch of things up when intially reporting.
That being said it sure the hell looks to me like Big Z was being the agressor and that Treyvon was standing his ground against someone that was stalking him. He didn't have a gun the other guy did and now he is dead and doesn't get to give his side.
I think this is a horible case for the progun crowd to get behind. Its not a nice clear cut case of self defense and it certianly doesn't show the gun control moderates a good picture of responsible gun use.
7/01/2013 4:34pm, #1708
Where did the pro-gun crowd get behind this ****? What you just typed was posted at the beginning of the thread by DEVIL. Wait and see.
Damn near every MFer told him to STFU Then they proceeded to tel him about race, gun control, laws and charges.
7/01/2013 4:41pm, #1709
7/01/2013 4:43pm, #1710
Florida is such a shitty state, anyway. People there call 911 over McDonald's running out of chicken McNuggets.
In other news, RIP.