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    There are inconsistencies (if what's being reported is accurate) in his alibi. That give anyone pause?
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    No, I have a team I'm rooting for but I'm not ignoring the reality of the law and making observations based purely on emotion. If the situation changes due to new information and it looks like Zimmerman is guilty I will acknowledge it. I will not stick my head in the head in the sand just because I don't like what I hear.
    You came into the thread swinging. Post #3 on the thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by Devil View Post
    Somebody's kid gets killed and they say, "He was a good boy." Gee, I've never heard that before.

    Your story is incomplete. The shooter was bloodied when the police arrived and he was wet as if he had been on his back in the grass. He claims he was yelling for help but nobody came.

    The officers on the scene obviously saw evidence of self defense or the guy would be in custody. But you want to assume Florida has legalized murder because this kid's parents and a lawyer say he was just a good boy minding his own business.

    Just because he went outside doesn't make him guilty. He's allowed to go in his own yard. That doesn't mean he ran outside with the intention of shooting the guy. What makes you think people should blindly obey what some 911 dispatcher tells them? There was a kid in NC a couple months back who killed an intruder and some dumbass dispatcher told him to put his gun down even though the intruder turned out not to be alone.

    Way to buy into kneejerk sensationalism.
    Nothing emotional about that.
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    Look up the word emotional because you obviously quoted the wrong post.
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    Does that make sense with a BLANK as the other party? much less the actual person we know was the other party?
    A teenager, aka whacked out of his mind on hormones, with a history of drug possesion and fist fighting?

    Yeah, guys like that are PARAGONS of good judgement, common sense, and rational behavior. There's no way he could have started it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli View Post
    A teenager, aka whacked out of his mind on hormones, with a history of drug possesion and fist fighting?

    Yeah, guys like that are PARAGONS of good judgement, common sense, and rational behavior. There's no way he could have started it.
    See Boby, this is the emotional media hype BULLSHIT that Devil is talking about on both sides.

    Devil's posts may be inflammatory, but they don't sound as emotionally bigoted as Vince and BNet nor as whiny and full of emotional white guilt like you and rabbit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli View Post
    A teenager, aka whacked out of his mind on hormones, with a history of drug possesion and fist fighting?

    Yeah, guys like that are PARAGONS of good judgement, common sense, and rational behavior. There's no way he could have started it.
    I guess this ended up long, so for the sake of all eyes everywhere
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    Do you have a link on the fist fighting Vince?

    Is there anything at all, that's come out, to suggest Martin was doing anything wrong? The presumption that he must've or probably or even plausibly started a fight comes from what, other than Z's alibi? Zimmerman was looking for him (armed, against the rules of the neighborhood watch if what I've read is accurate), and followed him.

    Martin was walking home, from the store.

    If it's been reported correctly, and Zimmerman later claimed to investigators that Martin circled his car, and he rolled up his windows out of fear of a confrontation: How does that jive, in any way, with him then leaving his vehicle to go out in the night, and find the guy?

    If he was scared armed in the car, why follow the person armed outside of that rapid egress? Is that safer? Why say they always get away and follow if police are on the way? Those aren't the actions of someone who is scared.

    @IIF. As to the discussion here:
    If someone's only focus is what the law says, and morality is besides the point, fine. Not all of this thread will be palatable. Whether he (morally) was justified in killing this kid, or legally so, whether he should have been charged, what he should/shouldn't have been charged with, will he beat the rap, what the legal repercussions will be across the board, this retardddddded SYG law etc. are all factors in this discussion.

    You may know where the goalposts are at any point b/c you're a supercomputer (I'm convinced) or an evil bot, but not everyone will, or should. This case is symptomatic of larger issues, so unless we want 18 threads about the facets in boff, we do it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobyclumsyninja View Post
    I guess this ended up long, so for the sake of all eyes everywhere
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    Do you have a link on the fist fighting Vince?

    Is there anything at all, that's come out, to suggest Martin was doing anything wrong? The presumption that he must've or probably or even plausibly started a fight comes from what, other than Z's alibi? Zimmerman was looking for him (armed, against the rules of the neighborhood watch if what I've read is accurate), and followed him.

    Martin was walking home, from the store.

    If it's been reported correctly, and Zimmerman later claimed to investigators that Martin circled his car, and he rolled up his windows out of fear of a confrontation: How does that jive, in any way, with him then leaving his vehicle to go out in the night, and find the guy?

    If he was scared armed in the car, why follow the person armed outside of that rapid egress? Is that safer? Why say they always get away and follow if police are on the way? Those aren't the actions of someone who is scared.

    @IIF. As to the discussion here:
    If someone's only focus is what the law says, and morality is besides the point, fine. Not all of this thread will be palatable. Whether he (morally) was justified in killing this kid, or legally so, whether he should have been charged, what he should/shouldn't have been charged with, will he beat the rap, what the legal repercussions will be across the board, this retardddddded SYG law etc. are all factors in this discussion.

    You may know where the goalposts are at any point b/c you're a supercomputer (I'm convinced) or an evil bot, but not everyone will, or should. This case is symptomatic of larger issues, so unless we want 18 threads about the facets in boff, we do it here.
    All over the place as usual. Take a cue from J Cache and stick to your point and argue it. \
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    All over the place as usual. Take a cue from J Cache and stick to your point and argue it. \
    Anything to say about what I posted? Arguing process is timid, considering the massive lengths you've gone to, in the past, to respond to various posters. Di-sect it by all means.


    • Do the inconsistencies in his apparent alibi bother you (or anyone on thread) all all, or do you perhaps think they are erroneously reported?
    • Does a scared person leave the car armed, and follow on foot, at night?
    • Has Martin been shown to have done anything wrong at all, beyond walking home while black?
    • Is there a way for anyone to properly determine where the goalposts are in this discussion, at any moment?

    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Devil's posts may be inflammatory, but they don't sound as emotionally bigoted as Vince and BNet nor as whiny and full of emotional white guilt like you and rabbit.
    Where do you get this white guilt thing, for me? Can you explicitly tell me?
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    Emotionally bigoted?
    I'll have you know I have friends who embody many different aspects of the emotional spectrum, from manic to depressive.

    Boby:
    Source was an article that mentioned T had an arrest for possession of I think weed and the cops hauled him out of school for fighting once. Although with the way the American education system is rolling (teachers have called the cops on 5 year olds. And the 5-0 tazed them!) that could mean anything or nothing.

    And it is NOT hypocritical of me to bring up T's troubled past and ignore Zimmerman's stints in lock up because....LOOK OVER THERE! It's a macaw singing Running With The Devil in the style of Van Halen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli View Post
    And it is NOT hypocritical of me to bring up T's troubled past and ignore Zimmerman's stints in lock up because....LOOK OVER THERE! It's a macaw singing Running With The Devil in the style of Van Halen!
    Van Halen bites...especially without Michael Anthony. Zimmerman sounds full of ****. Take the same Zimmerman, but make the victim a white 17 year old, and you'd see the cause flip for the professional right wing.

    Your doubtometers are misfiring, if you buy the pale Steven Seagal movie script alibi in it's entirety. Got an improbability drive tucked into an orifice somewhere?
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    Nevermind.

    I am not arguing bs with you. You are too emotional. Once again you bring up race Mr. WHITE GUILT.
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