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    I have this dvd set, I find it quite complimentary to Judo-JJJ for self defense training.

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    With Damon Keeve and Dave Faulkner

    http://johnsaylorsja.com/Damon%20Kee...0Faulkner.html
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    There was nothing stopping you from training Jujutsu "alive" in 1880; you just had to be a badass. Kano's innovation was to create a modern form of Jujutsu that was appropriate for normal people to practice with only moderate risk.
    Normal people and kids, emphasis on the kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Normal people and kids, emphasis on the kids.

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    So, when you become a man, should you not give up childish things?
    Should there be childrens Judo, and Judo for adults, Judo for men?
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
    ~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
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    Quote Originally Posted by DARPAChief View Post
    There are only 18 groups registered under the Nihon Kobudo Kyokai's Jujutsu section (http://www.nihonkobudokyoukai.org/martialarts/, the very top), but then there are other Sogo Budo that with focus on a weapon or weapons and yet also have grappling components (e.g. Tatsumi Ryu has yawara from a line of Araki Ryu, both registered lines of the latter have grappling). Araki Ryu is actually listed under "other", and both lines of Yagyu Shingan Ryu are listed under "Taijutsu". The unacquainted might be unaware of the diversity in nomenclature when it comes to Koryu; it's commonly glossed over as being all equal, but as you can see there it's a point of contention to this day.

    If one's none too discerning and puts anything grapplish on the table within and without the NKK, North America has Takeuchi Ryu Bicchuden in Hawaii, Vancouver, California, and Idaho (although I believe that teacher is currently training in Kyoto). Then there's Hontai Yoshin Ryu in New Jersey and Kentucky, Daito Ryu all over the place, and also Kashima Shin Ryu in California, Georgia, and Montana. Then there's also the Araki Ryu Torite Kogusoku in the Pacific Northwest and also the Takamura-ha Shindo Yoshin Ryu global HQ in Colorado, with several branches throughout the continent. That's just AFAIK, I'm sure I've missed something...

    In any event, it's actually kind of amazing that the latter two mentioned are remarkable traditions alive and well in America despite no longer being active in Japan. The 21st century is a nutty place.
    I trained a couple of sessions with the guy in Idaho (Tony). He knows his stuff. We were doing Kata but there wasn't anything dead about it. I got punched more than once and my wrists, elbows,and shoulders were damned sore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude View Post
    I have this dvd set, I find it quite complimentary to Judo-JJJ for self defense training.

    Judo For Self - Defense - MMA - Jujitsu And Summission Grappling
    With Damon Keeve and Dave Faulkner

    http://johnsaylorsja.com/Damon%20Kee...0Faulkner.html
    Damon Keeve doesn't need anything but his physical presence for self defense, that man is huge. I shook hands with him and this fingers seemed as big as my wrist.

    Dave Faulkner is an incredible judo technician, standing and ground. I worked with him a few times back in the '80s when he was in his prime. He could do arm bars from any position/angle on the ground,and his Uchi Mata was stunning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude View Post
    So, when you become a man, should you not give up childish things?
    Should there be childrens Judo, and Judo for adults, Judo for men?
    Is that a rhetorical question? I think Judo can appeal and be useful to a wide range of people and ages. In a historical context, though, Judo was tailored to some extent to be the primary physical education for Japanese kids.

    The principles of Judo are the same regardless. Training and to some extent aims vary according to who is learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    I trained a couple of sessions with the guy in Idaho (Tony). He knows his stuff. We were doing Kata but there wasn't anything dead about it. I got punched more than once and my wrists, elbows,and shoulders were damned sore.
    Neat. The Bicchuden appears to be a pretty solid group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Is that a rhetorical question?
    No, I wanted your opinion.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
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    Yeah, I wish I could have had time to travel the 45 miles to train with them once we moved up here. Being Mister Mom for 4 years and teaching Judo kind of limited my time, though. As far as koryu goes, they are the real deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude View Post
    No, I wanted your opinion.

    I think you got it then. It's all good.

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