Bicep Crusher?!?!? :-(

**Greese** · Posted On: 4/13/2004 12:07pm

OK, I was rolling last night and had a guy do this to me from my back. He had his hooks and I moved my hands to block a choke attempt and he came over and under with his hands from my back and got a double monkey grip on my arm.
He started to set me up for the armbar, so I pulled my arm in and out...he then took the arm he had the monkey grip on and jerked it forward with his lead hand and let go with the other and pulled his foot through so that his ankle bone was at the crook of my arm...
That ************ hurt worse than any sub I have had put on me...including when my knee was hyperextended. Now, I have heard that all those subs do is hurt and you can safely not tap. Is this true?
I have had people do bicep slicers/locks/crushers before and I generally just giggle and ignore them...but damn this thing hurt.

**capaloco** · Posted On: 4/13/2004 12:20pm

I thought a bicep slicer = bicep crusher. Someone correct me.
I was told it's not just pain. That if done properly can tear the muscle.

**willy** · Posted On: 4/13/2004 12:41pm

i belive that it can still **** up the elbow joint. i've never had the inclination to endure that much pain to find out.

***Omega Supreme*** · Posted On: 4/13/2004 1:25pm

I've never seen any evidence that this can do anything but leave a bruise. As a matter of fact I use it as a way to restore your elbow when it's been hyper extended.

**JohnnyS** · Posted On: 4/13/2004 6:23pm

Guys,
This is a dangerous move because you think you can endure the pain. I know two people who have broken guys forearms with the bicep slicer. The guys think they can tough it out and then "crack", their bones are broken. I also heard of this happening at the pan-ams and breaking the guys forearm which is why they ended up banning this move from BJJ comps.

**MrMcFu** · Posted On: 4/13/2004 6:26pm

I caught a guy with one trying to pass out of my triangle. Dude tapped like a typewriter and turned kinda white.

**Dochter** · Posted On: 4/13/2004 6:39pm

I've also heard it can cause extensive muscle fiber tearing.

Generally I don't tap to things I've heard are mainly pain compliance (I don't want omega calling me a bitch like he did to one of his students). I've since gotten anecdotal accounts that some of the compliance moves can **** you up.

Basically I don't know.

**stoogejitsu** · Posted On: 4/13/2004 6:56pm

Yeah it can be a very painfull move, but I don't think it can do any serious damage.

**JohnnyS** · Posted On: 4/13/2004 7:02pm

I would think a broken radius would be fairly serious damage.

**stoogejitsu** · Posted On: 4/13/2004 7:05pm

Well true, but I must be thinking of a different crusher because the crusher I'm thinking of doesn't seem to generate the pressure in the right area to break the radius, though true I've never really known anyone who has been in it long enough, either by tapping or escaping, to actually see what, if anything, it will break.