Holistic Fitness MMA - Wimbledon

**SY09** · Posted On: 2/15/2012 1:49pm

Hello I signed up mainly for the purpose of sharing my recent experience with this organisation as I don't want other people to waste their time, energy and money going through something similar, please feel free to vet and verify everything I am saying as I am not here to make false allegations or slander anybody. Apologies as this may be quite a long winded post.

So, myself and a friend recently decided to start training in MMA and he recommended this place to us as it was nearby so we dropped in for a class, looking back we were both quite naive and eager to learn and the people seemed quite friendly. The facilities were basic but we thought hey, they're welcoming and appear to know what they're doing so we got down to training.

During the course of the first class we noticed that the instructor was primarily focusing on ju jitsu which we thought was fine at the time, the main drawback being we would be shown a throw then given 30 seconds to drill it before moving onto the next technique and this went on for the whole 2 hour session, the other guys in the class seemed to all pick it up very quickly so we thought it was just down to us being beginners and not wanting to hold back the training of the more advanced students we never questioned it. After the class we paid our money, said thank you to the instructor and went on our way.

2 days later we both received an email from Eric Stokes saying thank you for coming, that he thought we were great students and then went on to explain about contracts and direct debits, this was my first red flag as I work in sales and use these kinds of set ups for pitches on clients on a daily basis but I thought OK he is running a business and not a charity, he seemed like a friendly guy so no harm done.

The next red flag in the email was he said we would be grading in 2 months, now even though I am naive when it comes to martial arts I didn't feel in any way ready to undergo a grading after just 8 weeks and could not understand how he could tell I was ready from just one class. I pushed this to the back of my mind and didn't mention it the next time I saw my friend as he was eager to continue and had enjoyed his experience there.

So we went to our second class...Immediately upon entering and already a bit cautious I noticed that the senior instructor under Mr Stokes attempted to high kick a stationary heavy bag and fell flat on his arse before the warm up. It occurred to me that a guy good enough to be an instructor should not fail so badly at something that seemed quite simple but I didn't want to offend anybody and pretended like I hadn't seen it. The class went fine, we again did the 30 second drills but this time did about 10 minutes of sparing which I enjoyed but ultimately left the class not having learned much due to the speed the drills were rushed through.

2 days later again I received an email from Mr Stokes saying pretty much the same thing as the first time, only this time that there was high demand for his classes in the new year and that we would have to sign up quick to reserve our places. By this point I had absolutely no intention of going back as I started to feel like a customer and not a student. The icing on the cake was Mr Stokes has signed off his email "Eric Stokes 1st dan MMA now even being a noob I am not an idiot, I was well aware that he could not hold a black belt in MMA so I began researching and discovered he did not hold a single black belt in any discipline. Now I don't doubt that he is skilled in ju jitsu as this is primarily what our classes were centred around but this is not what we paid for, we were supposed to be attending an MMA class.

So.. to cut a long story slightly shorter we emailed Mr Stokes to say thank you very much for having us but that we were not ready to commit to any gyms and wanted to experience a few more before settling on the right one for us. We wished him well for the future and thanked him for his time.

The reply we received was childish in the extreme, it was basically thanks for coming but you've wasted my time and money (lol?) you're not cut out for mma and dont ever come back. What a clown and what a total waste of our time, effort and money.

So you can maybe have a laugh at my expense and save yourself some headache in advance by checking their site out as I should have maybe done in the beginning. Unfortunately as I don't have enough posts yet I can't share the link but it is easy to find.

If required I'd be happy to post up the email exchanges between us to prove everything is as I have said.

We have since joined a gym where the instructors have actual proven cage experience and although new to it all are enjoying our time there immensely.

Thanks for reading.

**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 2/15/2012 2:35pm

Grades Held

Brown belt Ju Jitsu, Yellow belt BJJ, Yellow Belt kickboxing, Silver medallist at the ju jitsu championships heavyweight division

http://www.holistic-fitness.net/instructors/e_stokes/

I wonder who gave him that.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 2/15/2012 2:50pm

Well, that's strange indeed because yellow is a child rank and basically means you quit or you are at a strange BJJ school.

Yes, I know, somewhere there is a legit guy giving out yellow rank. I chalk that up to the 1% hard sparring chun school, it is a rarity. Chances are high he didn't train at the rare school.

**Permalost** · Posted On: 2/15/2012 3:07pm

Originally Posted by SY09

The reply we received was childish in the extreme, it was basically thanks for coming but you've wasted my time and money (lol?) you're not cut out for mma and dont ever come back. What a clown and what a total waste of our time, effort and money.

You can get by as a mediocre/not so good martial arts teacher if you're a good businessman, but this paragraph makes me doubt that he's either.

**HereBeADragon** · Posted On: 2/15/2012 4:12pm

So he's a "yellow belt" in BJJ and Kickboxing.... Not something I'd think of putting in an instructor bio. He is a brown belt in Ju Jitsu, not bad but not what most people look for when getting into MMA, and not generally considered an instructor level. He also claims an amateur boxing background in and around East London. Would there be a governing body we could look him up in for these claimed fights?

I went ahead and looked up his teacher Errol Field. http://www.yoshinryu.co.uk/judo-and-...y-errol-field/
6th dan – Judo / 6th dan – Ju Jitsu / 4th dan – Shotokan Karate.
Founder & Chief Instructor of Yoshin Ryu – based at the Coulsdon Martial Arts dojo.
Former BJC International Judo squad member.
National Representative on the European Budo Council for Judo & Ju Jitsu.
Director of Sport Ju Jitsu Kumite and Judo for the European Budo Council.
Master Instructor & Examiner for the European Budo Council.

As far as rank goes Stokes is at best qualified as an assistant instructor but he has no business teaching an MMA class on his own. Its worth noting that he is claiming rank and competition in a different art than Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in his Ju Jitsu claims.

As to his Ju Jitsu competition claims I think this is the organization he would have had to fight in http://www.imaf-europe.com/sv/ but I am not certain.

**SY09** · Posted On: 2/16/2012 4:30pm

Hiya, thank you for your replies. I have to say I found it odd that we would be grading at all as I had never heard of an MMA yellow belt lol. I guess it might have been a Ju Jitsu grading but this was never specified by Mr Stokes.

Quick question... Can a Ju Jitsu brown belt even conduct a grading and confer a rank on a student?

**scipio** · Posted On: 2/17/2012 4:07pm

From their website:
We are a progressive martial arts academy & offer high quality classes. Although we list the classes as kickboxing, it is important to understand that kickboxing, Kung fu, Boxing, Aikido, full contact mixed martial art (MMA), self-defence and fitness techniques are all incorporated into our class program. This makes for an up to date and progressive system that can adapt to fit in with the demands of an ever changing society.
Classes in Kickboxing, Aikido and sport martial arts for men, women and children (4+) of all abilities, as well as MMA SportCombat and much more.

I'm sorry - bit this smacks of total mcdojo.

I know very little of "MMA SportCombat " or MMA for that matter - can someone explain what "MMA SportCombat " is? From what I'm seeing it's no contact MMA.....

**scipio** · Posted On: 2/17/2012 4:15pm

Oh - and something else - they charge 10 quid per lesson for aikido. (Approx $15). Are they mad? I can get some seiously good aikido instruction from Slough aikido for under a fiver a lesson - why the hell would I want to cough up that much for them when they can't even say who the instructor is?? (Not that I want to do aikido).

Rant over- I've had a crap day at work and I'm feeling pissed off and sensitive.

**korn_995** · Posted On: 2/18/2012 2:23am

The Logo on his Gi is from Brazilian Top team. just like to throw that out there

**eric.stokes** · Posted On: 12/21/2012 5:00am

I got a pretty good idea who you are? and have no regrets seeing the back of you, to be honest i still stand by what u said you are not cut out for mma and if you doubt like you say you do about my skill level and i should only be am asisstant, come back and face me like the coward you are and test my skill level? or stand behind the forums giving the big en? your the clown mate come prove me different. Sensei Eric atleast i leave my name? bring it on./..