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    Wow so much vegan hate! I cop a lot of **** for not eating animal products. People usually find out at work functions when I bring my own food (because when you cater for 250+ it's retarded to make one special order for me, who is making a choice completely different to the mainstream). I've found the best way to stop the insults is to offer my food... it tastes so bad they drop dead! Jk jk. I like my food tasty.

    I think a lot of vegans don't understand that by using that label (I don't actually call myself a vegan... I just don't eat animal products) they are sending a signal that any non vegan/vegetarian/scientologist/whatever is on a lower moral standing. Which is retarded. It makes people then want to argue and bicker and justify themselves to you or show you the error of your ways. Those are the most boring conversations ever. They're boring because I don't give a **** what other people eat, and I'm not going to be influenced by other peoples opinions on what I'm going to eat.

    I can't imagine going around trying to preach to people though. Ya'll have some intense stories of vegans with boundary issues. The only issue I've had was a girl who took offense that I feed my dog meat/animal products. I'm like, hey, he's a dog. He doesn't wake up and ponder, 'Can I thrive without chomping on chicken necks and eating beef?'. He also literally makes the noise 'nomnom nomn nom' while eating.
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    In addition to those kitten articles:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...by-breast-milk
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    Recent research suggests that the need for adequate protein in our diets is so strong that we will keep eating, and piling on the calories, until the body decides that we've had enough protein. This can contribute to the high obesity rates we see today. This research does not necessarily invalidate vegetarianism -- vegetarians are not usually thought of as being likely to be overweigt -- but people who are experimenting with modifying their diets in the direction of reduced meat and dairy intake should keep this in mind. Less spaghetti and more meatballs.

    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-1...vereating.html
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    There's a lot of bullshit going around about dietary requirements. What a surprise.

    Since becoming an urbanite, I stopped being able to fill my freezer with hunted meat (about three decades ago). Consequently, I have foresworn meat, weigh a trained 210 and am in a profession where I get to throw combative subhumans out of venue doors on a more or less regular basis.

    We aren't machines. The living body adapts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    There's a lot of bullshit going around about dietary requirements. What a surprise.

    Since becoming an urbanite, I stopped being able to fill my freezer with hunted meat (about three decades ago). Consequently, I have foresworn meat, weigh a trained 210 and am in a profession where I get to throw combative subhumans out of venue doors on a more or less regular basis.

    We aren't machines. The living body adapts.

    Sounds like you're someone who has had the discipline to stay in shape and resist the universal tendency to become pudgy over time. Hell, if you work out regularly you could probably live on flapjacks and pork sausage and look good. But most people, particularly middle aged people, don't have that kind of discipline and for them diet is a much bigger factor in how they look. I think there are good reasons to avoid too much meat, but there are also good reasons to include some in your diet, if you fall into the recliner potato category of human.
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    Sounds like you're someone who has had the discipline to stay in shape and resist the universal tendency to become pudgy over time.
    Only because my paycheck has depended on it.

    Hell, if you work out regularly you could probably live on flapjacks and pork sausage and look good...
    ...but feel like ****. The **** that--no matter if you squat 'n' squeeze your way to a porcelain-throne heart attack--ain't goin' anywhere. How can anyone face tomorrow with yesterday clogging up their gut?

    But most people, particularly middle aged people, don't have that kind of discipline and for them diet is a much bigger factor in how they look. I think there are good reasons to avoid too much meat, but there are also good reasons to include some in your diet, if you fall into the recliner potato category of human.
    Not being middle-aged (well-past it, actually), I see no great disagreement...other than the meat being optional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    ...but feel like ****. The **** that--no matter if you squat 'n' squeeze your way to a porcelain-throne heart attack--ain't goin' anywhere. How can anyone face tomorrow with yesterday clogging up their gut?.
    My former brother in law took manly pride in being able to eat steak every night. He had one of those porcelain throne heart attacks -- they found him slumped over with his pants around his ankles. Just like Elvis.
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    ok meat eating scum,

    there is NO generally accepted scientific theory that holds that eating large amounts of animal protein caused us to increase our abilities regarding abstract thought. Far from it! We don't even know for certain the amounts of meat our ancestors ate. It's just guesswork. Though a common and well accepted guess We are primates. Primates eat plants. Our ancestors most likely ate just like other primates. Mostly plants! We are apes. Gorillas eat 98% of their calories from plants. Chimps eat 96% of their calories fro.



    himps and bonobos are our closest relatives. They get over 96% of their calories from plants. About 2% from insects and 2% from meat. We would be SO much healthier if we kept our meat consumption as low as that.



    the common misconception people make is that they think eating meat was a fad that started when Homo sapiens diverged from Pan troglodytes nearly 7 million years ago. It isn't. It's always been in our nature, yet we made much, much greater use of it in order to expand our range from the tropics all the way to the Arctic. Ability to survive on something does not equal that thing being IDEAL for health or longevity! We are primate. (There is no question of that.) Of more than 250 species of primate, all but one eat the vast majority from plants. We are most closely related to the great apes. ALL eat the overwhelming majority of their calories from plants. No less a scientific genius than Carl Linnaeus (the guy that created our system of animal classification) looked at the comparative anatomy between humans and other animals and declared we should be frugivores (fruit-eaters).



    Man relied on meat more and more as we expanded our range into colder regions. But, that didn't change the facts that plant foods are more ideal for our health and longevity.
    Michael J. Benton, British paleontologist, Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, and Professor of Vertebrate Paleontology in the Department of Earth Sciences at The University of Bristol wrote: "The apes, Hominidae, today include the gibbons and orang-utan ... the gorilla and chimpanzee ... and humans."
    Carl Linnaeus writes: “Man’s structure, internal and external compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables are his natural food.”
    Jared Diamond is a professor of anthropology at UCLA. Diamond has written off the notion of man the hunter as a romantic myth: “Big-game hunting added little to our food intake until after we had evolved fully modern anatomy and behavior.” Instead, our earliest ancestors lived on the wild fruit, nuts, seeds and tubers that they gathered. Mr. Diamond puts it succinctly: “I doubt the usual view that hunting was the driving force behind our uniquely human brain and societies. For most of our history, we were not mighty hunters but rather sophisticated baboons. And what food makes up the bulk of a baboon diet? Fruit, of course. So, for most of their history, humans were fruitarians."





    Human breast milk is about 1% protein, and almost 8% carbohydrate (mostly lactose). That low level of protein is the perfect food for a newborn that is increasing its body weight faster than at any other time in it's life. Why would a fully grown adult need the same amount of protein as a baby who is doubling its weight every few months? We don't. We need less. The average American meat-eater, who's eating meat and dairy products with every meal, might be getting 35-50 percent of his calories from protein! Maybe more. (Plus, a ton of saturated fat.) It's absurd. This is why we are obese. This is why we are dying of heart disease. Again, human breast milk is LESS than 2 percent protein---for the fastest growth spurt of our entire lives. Human adults should eat fruit and veg. That is our natural food. Fruit and veg is what primates eat. (If you want to add very small amounts of animal protein from termites and mice, it's probably okay. Personally, I don't think we need that.)
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    there is NO generally accepted scientific theory that holds that eating large amounts of animal protein caused us to increase our abilities regarding abstract thought. Far from it! We don't even know for certain the amounts of meat our ancestors ate. It's just guesswork. Though a common and well accepted guess We are primates. Primates eat plants. Our ancestors most likely ate just like other primates. Mostly plants! We are apes. Gorillas eat 98% of their calories from plants. Chimps eat 96% of their calories fro.



    himps and bonobos are our closest relatives. They get over 96% of their calories from plants. About 2% from insects and 2% from meat. We would be SO much healthier if we kept our meat consumption as low as that.



    the common misconception people make is that they think eating meat was a fad that started when Homo sapiens diverged from Pan troglodytes nearly 7 million years ago. It isn't. It's always been in our nature, yet we made much, much greater use of it in order to expand our range from the tropics all the way to the Arctic. Ability to survive on something does not equal that thing being IDEAL for health or longevity! We are primate. (There is no question of that.) Of more than 250 species of primate, all but one eat the vast majority from plants. We are most closely related to the great apes. ALL eat the overwhelming majority of their calories from plants. No less a scientific genius than Carl Linnaeus (the guy that created our system of animal classification) looked at the comparative anatomy between humans and other animals and declared we should be frugivores (fruit-eaters).



    Man relied on meat more and more as we expanded our range into colder regions. But, that didn't change the facts that plant foods are more ideal for our health and longevity.
    Michael J. Benton, British paleontologist, Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, and Professor of Vertebrate Paleontology in the Department of Earth Sciences at The University of Bristol wrote: "The apes, Hominidae, today include the gibbons and orang-utan ... the gorilla and chimpanzee ... and humans."
    Carl Linnaeus writes: “Man’s structure, internal and external compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables are his natural food.”
    Jared Diamond is a professor of anthropology at UCLA. Diamond has written off the notion of man the hunter as a romantic myth: “Big-game hunting added little to our food intake until after we had evolved fully modern anatomy and behavior.” Instead, our earliest ancestors lived on the wild fruit, nuts, seeds and tubers that they gathered. Mr. Diamond puts it succinctly: “I doubt the usual view that hunting was the driving force behind our uniquely human brain and societies. For most of our history, we were not mighty hunters but rather sophisticated baboons. And what food makes up the bulk of a baboon diet? Fruit, of course. So, for most of their history, humans were fruitarians."





    Human breast milk is about 1% protein, and almost 8% carbohydrate (mostly lactose). That low level of protein is the perfect food for a newborn that is increasing its body weight faster than at any other time in it's life. Why would a fully grown adult need the same amount of protein as a baby who is doubling its weight every few months? We don't. We need less. The average American meat-eater, who's eating meat and dairy products with every meal, might be getting 35-50 percent of his calories from protein! Maybe more. (Plus, a ton of saturated fat.) It's absurd. This is why we are obese. This is why we are dying of heart disease. Again, human breast milk is LESS than 2 percent protein---for the fastest growth spurt of our entire lives. Human adults should eat fruit and veg. That is our natural food. Fruit and veg is what primates eat. (If you want to add very small amounts of animal protein from termites and mice, it's probably okay. Personally, I don't think we need that.)
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