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    Quote Originally Posted by bigstu31s View Post
    No i'm not trolling. I've just told the guy that I don't agree with 12 year old black belts and now he wants to know why. Rather than point him towards Bullshido I wanted to give him a really good answer
    He asking because we have entire threads dealing with this very question. He's laughing at you because you've been here since 2006 and forgot about the search function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    He asking because we have entire threads dealing with this very question. He's laughing at you because you've been here since 2006 and forgot about the search function.
    The search function brought up lots of threads on this matter but I just wanted a quick definitive answer. I guess i'm lazy rather than trolling

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    Your "devil advocate" and original question where answered early in most of those threads. Probably in the same amount of time it took you to write the OP and your current responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigstu31s View Post
    No i'm not trolling. I've just told the guy that I don't agree with 12 year old black belts and now he wants to know why. Rather than point him towards Bullshido I wanted to give him a really good answer
    A good answer?

    As a martial arts instructor for over 20 years, 18 years actually teaching young children, let me answer this:

    A child's capability and cognative awareness is not fully developed at this time. I have awarded blackbelts under the age of 16. These were junior blackbelts. Usually these kids are with me for 6 years or more before I even contemplate allowing them to test. My daughter has been training for nearly 7 years now and she's not ready. I look at blackbelts under two different metaphors.

    1. It's like a drivers license. Can I teach a child to drive and pass the test? Absolutely, that doesn't mean I'm going to give them that responsibility.

    2. It's like getting a high school diploma, just enough education to get by in life. Can a child graduate through high school? Absolutely but they are few and far between.

    So a child can kick high; sign them up for ballet. Would you like me to be a little more detailed or will this suffice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Would you like me to be a little more detailed or will this suffice?
    A little more detailed would be nice but thanks so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigstu31s View Post
    A little more detailed would be nice but thanks so far
    In future just nod and smile and say 'Oh right, good for him'. Then don't say anything else just stand there with the smile.

    They'll realise the conversation is over, and probably won't feel insulted.

    The whole conversation is avoided by not making the fatal mistake of letting people you work know that you're a desk pilot by day and a ninja in the early evenings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    The whole conversation is avoided by not making the fatal mistake of letting people you work know that you're a desk pilot by day and a ninja in the early evenings.
    Yep don't insult the guys nephew because that's how most people take it. Remember, you are addressing the societal perception of a Black Belt not the truth. I have two relatives that are 1st and 2nd Degree. It is the PARENTS who perpetuate the BS that makes me despise kiddie BBs.

    I'm sacred of him.
    He's a BB he'd kick your butt.


    This excludes junior or non-adult ranks for motivation. You know, where the explanation is clearly delineated.

    This is different from Adult rank given to kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigstu31s View Post
    Playing devils advocat here but a 12 year old kid could be proficient in combat against other 12 year old kids, surely that would make him a legit black belt
    My 12 y.o. cousin can recite every Serbian king in order from Stefan Nemanja, but you don't see me claiming that he surely deserves a Ph.D. in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    In future just nod and smile and say 'Oh right, good for him'. Then don't say anything else just stand there with the smile.

    They'll realise the conversation is over, and probably won't feel insulted.

    The whole conversation is avoided by not making the fatal mistake of letting people you work know that you're a desk pilot by day and a ninja in the early evenings.
    ^^This^^

    No need to let pride and our own sense of superiority ruin relationships.

    I have an uncle who has kids my daughters age. His kids do karate and one of them has a black belt at 13. In the years since they started doing karate I've never bothered to tell them that what they are doing is ****. Why bother????? Nothing good will come from it.

    When my older daughter grabbed the black belt and RNC'd him the parents didn't bat an eye. They thought it was funny...... But in their minds that would not happen in a real fight.

    Just let people have their illusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    The whole conversation is avoided by not making the fatal mistake of letting people you work know that you're a desk pilot by day and a ninja in the early evenings.
    This! Man I've entertained so many stupid martial arts conversations at work.

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