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**It is Fake** · Posted On: 2/08/2012 3:05pm

Yeah, that Blog was interesting. There are other gems in that blog that would make me run far away.

**Keej613** · Posted On: 2/08/2012 4:22pm

Nyeah . . . this all confirms what I felt / suspected. I tried a handful of lessons and felt fishy about it all along. We'll leave it at that. I've already withdrawn from the courses but, even before withdrawing, I was keeping an eye out for better options. Currently waiting to hear back from a few other schools/dojos.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 2/08/2012 4:24pm

Yes, we pretty much figured you were a current for former student. Take it as a lesson and move on.

**Keej613** · Posted On: 2/09/2012 10:16am

Here's my review in case anyone's interested:

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114931

**Cdnronin** · Posted On: 2/14/2012 6:20pm

Originally Posted by Keej613

Nyeah . . . this all confirms what I felt / suspected. I tried a handful of lessons and felt fishy about it all along. We'll leave it at that. I've already withdrawn from the courses but, even before withdrawing, I was keeping an eye out for better options. Currently waiting to hear back from a few other schools/dojos.

Why don't you try judo at the RA centre?

**Keej613** · Posted On: 2/15/2012 9:27am

Originally Posted by Cdnronin

Why don't you try judo at the RA centre?

It's actually one of the places I'm considering. I'm looking into a few leads for decent Jiu-Jitsu and Judo places right now. Reading through Bullshido and chatting with friends, it seems as though (Ottawa) Jiu-Jitsu places often have a lot of complaints whereas Judo places rarely do. I wonder why that is? (Honestly not sarcasm.)

**Chili Pepper** · Posted On: 2/15/2012 10:37am

Originally Posted by Keej613

Jiu-Jitsu places often have a lot of complaints whereas Judo places rarely do. I wonder why that is? (Honestly not sarcasm.)

Judo is typically more focused on alive-training, which helps winnow out bullshit. Some but not all jujitsu is alive-trained, and therefore pockets of bullshit can develop.

It really can be as simple as that.

**Keej613** · Posted On: 2/15/2012 12:34pm

Originally Posted by Chili Pepper

Judo is typically more focused on alive-training, which helps winnow out bullshit. Some but not all jujitsu is alive-trained, and therefore pockets of bullshit can develop.

It really can be as simple as that.

I guess what I'm really wondering is why so many schools have moved away from alive-training when it's generally accepted that it is the best way to learn / apply martial arts.

Is it because alive potentially means painful and not a lot of people are interested in getting hurt so dojos realized they could attract more students if they had programs that weren't so potentially painful? And the result is that the market is now saturated with students and instructors who believe that aliveness and sparring are not requirements of adequate martial arts training?

**Permalost** · Posted On: 2/15/2012 12:50pm

Originally Posted by Keej613

I guess what I'm really wondering is why so many schools have moved away from alive-training when it's generally accepted that it is the best way to learn / apply martial arts.

Is it because alive potentially means painful and not a lot of people are interested in getting hurt so dojos realized they could attract more students if they had programs that weren't so potentially painful? And the result is that the market is now saturated with students and instructors who believe that aliveness and sparring are not requirements of adequate martial arts training?

Yeah, pretty much.